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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1140 on: April 19, 2020, 06:36:15 PM »
Solution?
Why do people think a barrier helps if you are within 6 feet of the other person? I see people standing on opposite sides of a fence that has this fake greenery woven through it as if thats good enough. This is the one time that I agree with you know who about people trying to outsmart Hashem and be frummer than Him. 
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1141 on: April 19, 2020, 06:41:59 PM »
Yea no way anything can live on that mattress  ::)

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1142 on: April 19, 2020, 08:48:45 PM »
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My friend thinks I have sinas chinam.. these guys are not misguided, they are mentally ill.


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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1143 on: April 21, 2020, 05:13:00 AM »
Just when you thought things were getting better:  :(

Letter from Yitzchak Berkovits - Sanhedria Murchevet Israel

Rabbosai!

I have been davening on my rooftop (being mitztaref to a minyan down below) from where I get to see the goings on in the area.

The matzav is out of control. People are dreying around without masks, minyanim allegedly keeping to the rules but in reality are nothing more than “kosher style” without masks, krias haTorah is as usual and the two meters observed for Shmoneh Esrei at best. It seems as if people are under the misconception that the government’s decision to allow outdoor minyanim is an “all clear” sign and that the danger is ostensibly over.

Let’s face it, adhering to the rules in a minyan is not so practical and is just not happening.

Even if you believe your minyan is the exception, we must make a statement. We must not Chas V’Sholom turn into another .... . The mashchis has not been mavchin. It has attacked yereim ushleimim, manhigim and roshei yeshiva no less than any other part of the population, if not more. Who has the right to claim bitachon on the cheshbon of chalilah infecting others and endangering their lives?

I urge our kehilla and the entire Anglo community in Eretz Yisroel to go back to the mirpesset minyanim or davening b'yichidus. I am r”l in shloshim for my father hc”m and have yet to daven far amud once. I am sure that in today’s situation, urging the tzibbur to take things seriously is a greater zechus.

Nobody in this world knows if, when and how this is going to end. Gedolei Yisroel will have to determine how to maintain Talmud Torah for young and old without recklessly endangering the tzibbur. The danger of worldwide rifyon is more serious than the threat of Coronavirus, and we do not have the right to be mekil on either front.

For now, I would suggest that all of you are mischazek in your own davening (aren’t 9 and 10AM Shachris minyanim in public during an eis tzarah something of a chilul HaSHeM?) and maintain for yourselves sedorim in your regular learning as well as in sforim that inspire more Ahava and Yirah. And of course, take advantage of everyone homebound in strengthening the family bond.

And May HaSHeM Hear our tefillos and bring not only a yeshuah from the mageifeh, but the geulah sheleimah bimheira.

Yitzchak Berkovits

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1146 on: April 21, 2020, 01:45:06 PM »
BH someone still has common sense.
I saw a a post a while ago, that someone had to say Kaddish, and there was a minyan, and he stayed home -lilyu nishmas the niftar

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1147 on: April 21, 2020, 01:52:29 PM »
I saw a a post a while ago, that someone had to say Kaddish, and there was a minyan, and he stayed home -lilyu nishmas the niftar
That was me.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1148 on: April 22, 2020, 11:39:33 AM »
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One thing that a friend of mine noticed is that the instructions regarding aliyos on the english version is not there on the signed hebrew version. I am looking for the source of the english version and as of now have not been successful.
(The english version was not included in the rabbonim email or text or the one sent out by Aaron Kotler)
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1149 on: April 22, 2020, 11:47:12 AM »
One thing that a friend of mine noticed is that the instructions regarding aliyos on the english version is not there on the signed hebrew version. I am looking for the source of the english version and as of now have not been successful.
(The english version was not included in the rabbonim email or text or the one sent out by Aaron Kotler)
Did you message the twitter user I quoted?

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1150 on: April 22, 2020, 12:17:09 PM »
Did you message the twitter user I quoted?
yes
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1151 on: April 22, 2020, 06:53:10 PM »
For everybody who is saying that davening with a minyan these days you may kill somebody

Do you drive over the speed limit? Bc driving over the speed limit should have the same din

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1152 on: April 22, 2020, 07:00:27 PM »
For everybody who is saying that davening with a minyan these days you may kill somebody

Do you drive over the speed limit? Bc driving over the speed limit should have the same din
Explain your reasoning.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1153 on: April 22, 2020, 07:01:53 PM »
Man, we were doing so well!!

Btw, Epstein didn't kill himself.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1154 on: April 22, 2020, 07:05:25 PM »
For everybody who is saying that davening with a minyan these days you may kill somebody

Do you drive over the speed limit? Bc driving over the speed limit should have the same din

Even driving under the speed limit kills plenty, but there is heter of doing things that are normal in normal situations.

Otherwise we would be home all day all the time.
Driving 100 miles per hour on a highway is not normal, however most drivers can keep perfect control driving 75 where its 65. The government is known to put low speed limits so that most people will only go up to 10 miles per hour above that number, and if someone feels that driving at speed limit is to much for them, or texts while driving, its the same issue of סכנת נפשות.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1155 on: April 22, 2020, 07:29:55 PM »
Even driving under the speed limit kills plenty, but there is heter of doing things that are normal in normal situations.

Otherwise we would be home all day all the time.
Driving 100 miles per hour on a highway is not normal, however most drivers can keep perfect control driving 75 where its 65. The government is known to put low speed limits so that most people will only go up to 10 miles per hour above that number, and if someone feels that driving at speed limit is to much for them, or texts while driving, its the same issue of סכנת נפשות.
Don’t think you’ll see too many disagree with you here, but the comparison is not valid regardless.

For one, as @Dan has said, car accidents don’t have a very high R0 number.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1156 on: April 22, 2020, 08:36:56 PM »
Don’t think you’ll see too many disagree with you here, but the comparison is not valid regardless.

For one, as @Dan has said, car accidents don’t have a very high R0 number.
To be honest we don't really know the true death rate with this virus bc many more people have had the virus that didn't get tested

After they adjust for that it will come out to about the same as the flu

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1157 on: April 22, 2020, 08:40:20 PM »
To be honest we don't really know the true death rate with this virus bc many more people have had the virus that didn't get tested

After they adjust for that it will come out to about the same as the flu
Is this a joke?
COVID-19 killed many more in the past 6 weeks than the flu does in a year.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1158 on: April 22, 2020, 08:46:54 PM »
To be honest we don't really know the true death rate with this virus bc many more people have had the virus that didn't get tested

After they adjust for that it will come out to about the same as the flu
It may have the same death rate but if it does then it is MANY multiple times more contagious.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1159 on: April 22, 2020, 08:48:25 PM »
Is this a joke?
COVID-19 killed many more in the past 6 weeks than the flu does in a year.
and the response for this is yea but percentage wise
all it matters if you appreciate life or statistics
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