Corona virus and your shul

[momo]

Stop accusing thousands of yidden of not caring to do what is right. Because you don't like minyanim doesn't mean they are not right. Many thousands of people are currently b"h  davening btzibur in a safe manner with porch minyonim and such.
Many of the minyan haters are people that were lax about minyan before this started so they have no appreciation for the importance of minyan.

Yup. All the Rabbi’s who are against these porch minyanim, probably missed shachris with minyan 2 times a week. I mean it’s tough to get out if bed, i know the struggle, know what I’m saying?

[hvaces42]

One thing I can tell you as that I have seen some people hear barchu before birchos krias shma for the first time in years now.

Sad

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Stop accusing thousands of yidden of not caring to do what is right. Because you don't like minyanim doesn't mean they are not right. Many thousands of people are currently b"h  davening btzibur in a safe manner with porch minyonim and such.
Many of the minyan haters are people that were lax about minyan before this started so they have no appreciation for the importance of minyan.

This knee jerk reaction just makes you look silly.

Btw I can't get over the fact that Judaism has become a comparison with the goyim. .

Always there was a mentality there we were better, now it's like well if stores are open,keep the shul open.

Such rabbanim should resign and go volunteer for chevra kadisha and dig graves

What you think I'm extreme? See what the Rebbe of Karlin just said.

No one is against minyanim. We are all for pikuach nefesh.

Btw next time I see an ad about raising money for pikuach nefesh because someone is in jail im gonna stuff that ad down the throat of all the troll's here .

People

Are

Dying

Hi!!  P.s. the CDC is saying round 2 gonna be much worse

[S209]

Stop accusing thousands of yidden of not caring to do what is right. Because you don't like minyanim doesn't mean they are not right. Many thousands of people are currently b"h  davening btzibur in a safe manner with porch minyonim and such.
Many of the minyan haters are people that were lax about minyan before this started so they have no appreciation for the importance of minyan.

Thousands of Yidden have proven that they don’t care about what’s right. More have proven otherwise, but it’s a fact.

Agreed that many are being safe. Many are still not. And many many more were not until recently. Speak for yourself but I hadn’t missed a minyan in over a decade before this so perhaps ask before accusing.

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If anything. I challenge if all these people doing these porch minyanim were absolutely stringent to never talk during davening.

Do they feel an urgent need to daven b'tzibur for their soul or is it filling something they are lacking?!

[Lurker]

Well that went south fast...

[EliJelly]

Well that went south fast...

Shockingly, for this thread.

[momo]

Same argument over and over. No one on these forums is gonna change anyone’s mind. Unfortunately only one way that some people’s mind will change, and I don’t wish it on anyone. Long story short, best one can hope for is listen to your Rav.

[simple26]

Where’s the hamster?
@CountValentine

[Lurker]

Same argument over and over. No one on these forums is gonna change anyone’s mind. Unfortunately only one way that some people’s mind will change, and I don’t wish it on anyone. Long story short, best one can hope for is listen to your Rav.

I disagree. I think that sometimes the argument gets presented in a slightly new way and maybe that way clicks for someone when it didn't before. Worst case, we wasted time and people got ticked off. Best case, maybe another Jewish life is saved. It annoys me every time, but ultimately I come to terms with it.

[S209]

Same argument over and over. No one on these forums is gonna change anyone’s mind. Unfortunately only one way that some people’s mind will change, and I don’t wish it on anyone. Long story short, best one can hope for is listen to your Rav.

-1 I have changed many people’s minds, (including my own tbh), and it’s largely because of these forums.

I convinced someone today not to drop his kid off by his mother for a few hours a day because “we all had it”. I told him his parents’ symptoms could easily have been the flu, etc.

[momo]

-1 I have changed many people’s minds, (including my own tbh), and it’s largely because of these forums.

I convinced someone today not to drop his kid off by his mother for a few hours a day because “we all had it”. I told him his parents’ symptoms could easily have been the flu, etc.

Happy to hear. However this minyan argument, won’t be won. The people who think they’re nachshon, or pinchas, or shas hashmad, aren’t going to change their minds, until it’s too late. They think that this is what gd wants. Dropping a kid off at your mom is a different story.  Again, I don’t wish that on anyone.

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Well that went south fast...

You have to understand what went into the original battle to close shuls.

There were doctors crying, begging, pleading... Doctors who would tell you to eat on yom Kippur, a lo sase m'doraisa And you are required to listen to them..

And rabbanim were ignoring these doctors.

Why did this become a religious battle? I really hate how everyone draws the lines of some kind of milchamos shmad.

As @hvaces42  has said in the past, every shnook is trying to be the Moser nefesh of the generation. Go be Moser nefesh in your basement, go fast Friday to Friday.. go burn your house down with your fingernails I don't care

Show me where minyan is yihareg v'al yaavor.

Stop making us into bad people, it's stupid... Besides having all doctors on our side, we have many of the biggest rabbanim, Roshey yshivos and admorim .

The Rav of bnai brak the gaon Rav aizik landau said that your tefillos in a distanced minyan only goes up If you are wearing a mask

[aygart]

You have to understand what went into the original battle to close shuls.

There were doctors crying, begging, pleading... Doctors who would tell you to eat on yom Kippur, a lo sase m'doraisa And you are required to listen to them..

And rabbanim were ignoring these doctors.

Why did this become a religious battle? I really hate how everyone draws the lines of some kind of milchamos shmad.

As @hvaces42  has said in the past, every shnook is trying to be the Moser nefesh of the generation. Go be Moser nefesh in your basement, go fast Friday to Friday.. go burn your house down with your fingernails I don't care

Show me where minyan is yihareg v'al yaavor.

Stop making us into bad people, it's stupid... Besides having all doctors on our side, we have many of the biggest rabbanim, Roshey yshivos and admorim .

The Rav of bnai brak the gaon Rav aizik landau said that your tefillos in a distanced minyan only goes up If you are wearing a mask

I can tell you that in Lakewood the minyanim were shut down within 48 hours of a call for rabbonim with doctors. It was the same call together with many Lakewood doctors and Hatzolah to ask questions of infectious disease specialist.

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I can tell you that in Lakewood the minyanim were shut down within 48 hours of a call for rabbonim with doctors. It was the same call together with many Lakewood doctors and Hatzolah to ask questions of infectious disease specialist.

What day was this

[CountValentine]

Where’s the hamster?
@CountValentine

Poor Chaim needs to sleep also.

[CountValentine]

I disagree. I think that sometimes the argument gets presented in a slightly new way and maybe that way clicks for someone when it didn't before. Worst case, we wasted time and people got ticked off. Best case, maybe another Jewish life is saved. It annoys me every time, but ultimately I come to terms with it.

Does it matter to anyone that your religion is being portrayed to outsiders as a reckless religion on this subject? Does it matter to anyone when Judaism is compared to other religions on this subject it gets a failing grade? If it doesn't matter then just keep doing what you have been doing. 

[hvaces42]

Does it matter to anyone that your religion is being portrayed to outsiders as a reckless religion on this subject? Does it matter to anyone when Judaism is compared to other religions on this subject it gets a failing grade? If it doesn't matter then just keep doing what you have been doing.

Can anyone guess ome word thats being described here?

Aiva

[Yitz]

Does it matter to anyone that your religion is being portrayed to outsiders as a reckless religion on this subject? Does it matter to anyone when Judaism is compared to other religions on this subject it gets a failing grade? If it doesn't matter then just keep doing what you have been doing. 

2 words to describe these people are making a  "Chilul Hashem"

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I can tell you that in Lakewood the minyanim were shut down within 48 hours of a call for rabbonim with doctors. It was the same call together with many Lakewood doctors and Hatzolah to ask questions of infectious disease specialist.

The problem is not really Lakewood (despite the breathless news reports). It's BP and Willi where it's really bad.