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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1300 on: April 24, 2020, 12:19:36 PM »
Lichvod the Wonderful Members of our Far Rockaway and Five Towns Community שיחיו,

We sincerely hope that this letter finds you all managing well under the current difficult circumstances, and we daven continuously that HaKB"H send all Acheinu B'nei Yisroel the refuos, nechamos, and yeshuos for which we all so truly yearn.

There has recently been much discussion regarding the loosening of social distancing restrictions. We would like to specifically address herein the numerous calls and requests that have been presented to all our community Rabbanim regarding outdoor Minyanim.

Many individuals have been asking Rabbanim to demonstrate leadership by issuing clear guidelines for the establishment of safe outdoor Minyanim. We all understand that Tefilla Bi'Tzibbur is a crucial imperative for Klal Yisroel, especially in a time of crisis, and that davening together could provide us the זכויות and the connection that we so desperately need. People are requesting that Rabbanim, in conjunction with medical professionals, create guidelines for safe and legal Minyanim in our neighborhoods, with all participants wearing masks at safe distances, perhaps on separate properties, with safeguards in place to ensure that there is no significant risk.

We, the undersigned Rabbanim and Roshei Yeshivos, after much thought and careful consideration, feel obligated to communicate- in unequivocal terms- our united decision to reinforce our previous mandate, and bid our community against the creation of any Minyanim, as well as to cease unauthorized Minyanim. This includes porches, front-/backyard, Minyanim--with no exceptions whatsoever. We will continue to reassess and reanalyze this decision on a regular and ongoing basis as new developments unfold.

Pikuach Nefesh is the greatest imperative in the Torah, and overrides almost any other Mitzva. Although on an individual level it may be possible to safeguard against risk, it is impossible to allow the establishment of Minyanim across a community without also accepting the unavoidable violations of safety guidelines and inadvertent health risks that will inevitably result (especially with hundreds davening three times a day, every day). כל המקיים נפש אחת מישראל...כאילו קיים עולם מלא-- סנהדרין לז. Easing the prohibition would be, at the very minimum, a Sa'fek Pi'kuach Nefesh that could endanger participants, and could increase the likelihood of illness and loss of life in our community, chalila vi'chas. And this simply cannot be allowed. At this point in time, this overarching principle is docheh the imperatives of Tefilla B'tzibbur, Aveilim reciting Kaddish, and many other Halachos. We call upon each and every member of our community to adhere to the safeguards that are essential for the protection of us all. Let us do our absolute utmost in following the Torah's mandate of ונשמרתם מאד לנפשותיכם.

Our responsibility to be proactive and vigilant against any possibility of health risk and sakanah extends to far more than just Minyanim. It should be obvious that if we have taken this extraordinary step of temporarily being mi'vatel Tefilla B'Tzibbur in order to save lives, we most certainly must be extra cautious when shopping and engaging in any other activity outside the home. We strongly urge our community to not only adhere scrupulously to all laws and protocols regarding social distancing, but also to exhibit extra zehirus and care to stay within your homes, and to limit any outside social interactions- even while wearing masks- to only that which is extremely important, absolutely necessary, and truly unavoidable. This includes avoiding trips into restaurants and other situations of potential exposure that are not truly essential.

We know that current conditions have been extremely difficult. We truly commiserate and are in constant deliberation how best to make the matzav more bearable. Please take comfort in the fact that, B’Ezras Hashem, your admirable efforts and sacrifices have made a dramatic difference: you have saved, and will IY"H continue to save, countless lives.

Yi'yasher Ko'chachem for all your tremendous concern, patience, and understanding.
!חזק חזק ונתחזק

We will get through this crisis together as a unified community, with abundant Siyata Dishmaya each and every day IY"H. Let us continue to give the Ribbono Shel Olam נחת רוח in carrying out Ratzon Hashem at this time, and merit to emerge from this crisis stronger and better than ever before.

With boundless love, profound care and concern, and sincere admiration for this incredible and special community,

56 Roshei Yeshivos and Rabbanim in the Five Towns/Far Rockaway/Bayswater Community- in alphabetical order:
R' Shalom Axelrod
R' Yaakov Bender
R' Dovid Bender
R' Hershel Billet
R' Yisroel Meir Blumenkrantz
R' Meyer Bodner
R' Simcha Bondi
R' Meir Braunstein
R' Dov Bressler
R' Moshe Brown
R' Pinchas Chatzinoff
R' Shaul Chill
R' Ariel Edelstein
R' Menachem Feifer
R' Aaron Feigenbaum
R' Eytan Feiner
R' Yaakov Feitman
R' Eliezer Feuer
R' Tzvi Flaum
R' Binyamin Forst
R' Aryeh Zev Ginzberg
R' Daniel Glatstein
R' Dr. Aaron Glatt
R' Nosson Greenberg
R' Kenneth Hain
R' Simcha Hopkovitz
R' Yaakov Horowitz
R' Naftali Jaeger
R' Yudi Jeger
R' Muttel Katz
R' Moshe Zev Katzenstein
R' Aryeh Lebowitz
R' Simcha Lefkowitz
R' Yoni Levin
R' Avi Miller
R' Motti Neuburger
R' Uri Orlian
R' Yechiel Yitzchok Perr
R' Ephraim Polakoff
R' Zvi Ralbag
R' Isaac Rice
R' Elysha Sandler
R' Shay Schachter
R' Yehuda Septimus
R' Aaron Stein
R' Asher Stern
R' Mordechai Stern
R' Moshe Teitelbaum
R' Yaakov Trump
R' Shmaryahu Weinberg
R' Moshe Weinberger
R' Pinchus Weinberger
R' Akiva Willig
R' Eliyahu Wolf
R' Zalman Wolowik
R' Mordechai Yaffe
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1301 on: April 24, 2020, 12:22:40 PM »
In those communities? I'd say for the vast majority.
Who is still not going to listen?
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1302 on: April 24, 2020, 12:23:24 PM »
Who is still not going to listen?

Every village has it's idiots.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1303 on: April 24, 2020, 12:25:32 PM »
Every village has it's idiots.
Then the total weight of the village needs to brought down on these idiots.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1304 on: April 24, 2020, 12:30:34 PM »
Then the total weight of the village needs to brought down on these idiots.

Yep, but it's not my village, so I sit here and virtually yell through a screen.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1305 on: April 24, 2020, 12:47:29 PM »
Every village has it's idiots.
I did not hear of a single case of non compliance in the Five towns.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1306 on: April 24, 2020, 12:49:49 PM »
Yep, but it's not my village, so I sit here and virtually yell through a screen.
It is my village. I don’t know of any “illegal” minyanim taking place. But according to some on this board, the rabbi’s, and most people in our community, never davened with minyan beforehand anyway, so...🙄

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1307 on: April 24, 2020, 12:55:19 PM »
It is my village. I don’t know of any “illegal” minyanim taking place.
I did not hear of a single case of non compliance in the Five towns.

Ashreichem!! And this is why I said there would be widespread compliance.

But I also don't have so much faith in humanity, which is why I think every village has it's idiots, even if they aren't in the spotlight.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1308 on: April 24, 2020, 01:48:18 PM »
I did not hear of a single case of non compliance in the Five towns.
Not sure what you have or haven’t heard , there are at Least 3 active Shuls....

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1309 on: April 24, 2020, 01:50:37 PM »
Before anyone asks Chaim is done for the day.  :)
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1310 on: April 24, 2020, 01:53:24 PM »
Not sure what you have or haven’t heard , there are at Least 3 active Shuls....
Which three?

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1311 on: April 24, 2020, 01:54:12 PM »
Not sure what you have or haven’t heard , there are at Least 3 active Shuls....
I know there was one from before pesach. Didn’t know that it was still operating. I guess i should rephrase. I haven’t seen one, nor do i know of any. I’d be extremely surprised if there were any shuls open.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1312 on: April 24, 2020, 01:59:00 PM »
Before anyone asks Chaim is done for the day.  :)

Union rules?
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1313 on: April 24, 2020, 02:00:58 PM »
Union rules?
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1314 on: April 24, 2020, 02:02:29 PM »
Union rules?
The poor guy is tired, compassion rules.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1315 on: April 24, 2020, 02:37:04 PM »
I always wondered why Jews were blamed for the black death.
Always assumed regular anti-semitism, but it makes a little more sense now :(

There's still plenty of anti-semitism, but we need to do better.

Have you lost your mind?

There wasn'r even any concept of social distansing then!
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1316 on: April 24, 2020, 02:39:42 PM »
Have you lost your mind?

There wasn'r even any concept of social distansing then!
Venting frustration at @hvaces42 continued reports, don't take literally.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1317 on: April 24, 2020, 02:41:49 PM »
If things are as @hvaces42 describes, can you really blame people that see that for being angry?
Anyone who blames it on a "they" of tens of thousands of people because of seeing fewer than one percent is a bigot. THis is whether the "they" are Jews, Hispanics, Asians, African Americans, Martians, or anything else.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1318 on: April 24, 2020, 02:42:50 PM »
Anyone who blames it on a "they" of tens of thousands of people because of seeing fewer than one percent is a bigot. THis is whether the "they" are Jews, Hispanics, Asians, African Americans, Martians, or anything else.
Agreed, but it's our job to be a light unto the nations and it's depressing when we're not.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1319 on: April 24, 2020, 02:45:30 PM »
In general since when do we change yiddishkait because of the goyim or how it is portrayed to the goyim?
Do you mean something like driving on shabbos?
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