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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1410 on: April 26, 2020, 12:41:25 AM »
A minyan behind my house had a Kiddush today too. He had mini bottles and wrapped cake.
maybe they thought all the alcohol would kill the virus

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1411 on: April 26, 2020, 12:41:31 AM »
A question on the topic from a different angle.

Some neighborhoods allegedly have minyonim going on in a manner that is not adhering to the medical and legal guidelines (either in shuls with limited participants or on the streets without proper social distancing), some places (like Lakewood by and large) have outdoor minyonim with social distancing and some places (like passaic and five towns) have no minyonim at all.

Are there new people contracting the virus at a higher rate in the places that are being less careful?
I donít think anybody here including yourself believes that minyonim in an unsafe way should be permitted anywhere.

It all boils down to what ppl think is safe, and if there are reasonings to ban it across the board.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1412 on: April 26, 2020, 12:43:36 AM »
I donít think anybody here including yourself believes that minyonim in an unsafe way should be permitted anywhere.

It all boils down to what ppl think is safe, and if there are reasonings to ban it across the board.
Except for those participating in such minyanim.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1413 on: April 26, 2020, 12:44:06 AM »
Rav of a Shul who closed right after purim (same time as all the other shuls in the community once they realized the dangers) told me today that he had doctors in his shul calling him very upset that they were closing so for all you people yelling and shouting at the rabbis maybe a little Dan Lekaf Zechus that its not always the rabbis fault..
Most of klal yisroel closed their Shuls appx a week after purim. Contrary to what some here like to think most of the people making these decisions are responsible ehrliche people that were following the advice of most doctors and of the government that didn't feel at that point closing shuls was necessary.

In hindsight should things have been closed earlier? Yes. Does that mean that what most of klal yisroel did was wrong at the time based on the circumstances at time? No.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1414 on: April 26, 2020, 12:44:14 AM »
It's actually a very good question. We've seen a slowdown all over. My take is (non scientific alert) that the most vulnerable i.e. 60+ are taking it serious everywhere.
So seriously in fact that at least 3 70+ year olds were at the minyan this shabbos on my block. The reason: They are grandparents or great granparents of a baby girl that was named at the minyan. Very very very important reason that should not be discounted. Thats besides the pther guest that decided they needed to join the minyan and came to daven here on the street. Strolling back and forth is a requirement in a certain chasidus apparently.

 Also trespassing on a front walk and standing at someones door who isnt home for weeks is also allowed. The guy even had the chutzpah to hang his siddur in a bag on the door all shabbos so he didnt have to carry in the eruv because he doesnt really hold of that.

Thats my update for now.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1415 on: April 26, 2020, 12:44:50 AM »
At this point everyone understands the severity and of the situation and has their own ways of dealing with it. Why on God's earth do you feel that you and what you've been told is the ultimate arbitrator?
I know places  in tri state first  hand that still  have shuls open and don't have a single death or people in the hospital.  Fact of the matter is everyone needs to stay safe.

You sound just like the posters about Lakewood before the s&$# hit the fan.

Also Hungary in 1944 was life like normal.. untill it wasn't.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1416 on: April 26, 2020, 12:44:58 AM »
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They are probably being more careful than others but I have seen many (and know a few) who just donít get it.

I even know one of those who was niftar..  :'(
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i know tons of ppl locked in. There will always be careless ones, thatís part of society.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1417 on: April 26, 2020, 12:47:15 AM »
You sound just like the posters about Lakewood before the s&$# hit the fan.

Also Hungary in 1944 was life like normal.. untill it wasn't.
Who would've thought you wouldn't have the answer to every scenario? If you can't see a difference between 1944 and now then.....

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1418 on: April 26, 2020, 12:47:45 AM »
Most of klal yisroel closed their Shuls appx a week after purim. Contrary to what some here like to think most of the people making these decisions are responsible ehrliche people that were following the advice of most doctors and of the government that didn't feel at that point closing shuls was necessary.

In hindsight should things have been closed earlier? Yes. Does that mean that what most of klal yisroel did was wrong at the time based on the circumstances at time? No.

It's a nice sentiment, and probably true of the greater global Jewish community. But the fact is, many shuls in the hardest hit areas were operating closer to Pesach than Purim. Not rumor, not hyperbole, actually witnessed by DDF members participating in this conversation. Some are still operating. Some have changed a few things for appearances. But lives are still being played with, so we're still having this conversation.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1419 on: April 26, 2020, 12:48:12 AM »
Can someone justify what is going on in NJ ?
How can they have semi social distancing.
Are we only careful when we go to a grocery store but not by davening outside.
BMG said that chazan was supposed to stop if someone is not following their guidelines with the outside minyan. But did that happen today ? NO

Are they waiting for more people to die ??
Time to change your name to NJ.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1420 on: April 26, 2020, 12:50:08 AM »
So seriously in fact that at least 3 70+ year olds were at the minyan this shabbos on my block. The reason: They are grandparents or great granparents of a baby girl that was named at the minyan. Very very very important reason that should not be discounted. Thats besides the pther guest that decided they needed to join the minyan and came to daven here on the street. Strolling back and forth is a requirement in a certain chasidus apparently.

 Also trespassing on a front walk and standing at someones door who isnt home for weeks is also allowed. The guy even had the chutzpah to hang his siddur in a bag on the door all shabbos so he didnt have to carry in the eruv because he doesnt really hold of that.

Thats my update for now.
The sidur and bag part I can easily digest.. But 3 70+ people left the safety of their home for a kiddish is moronic indeed.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1421 on: April 26, 2020, 12:50:24 AM »
Time to change your name to NJ.

Like 50% of NJ, he commutes.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1422 on: April 26, 2020, 12:51:29 AM »
We had a beautiful new porch minyan today with all guidelines adhered to. The weather was beautiful. The song choices for Hallel was awful.
HaShem!!! I need my shul back!!!

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1423 on: April 26, 2020, 12:52:12 AM »
Time to change your name to NJ.
No, it's all political, the chief rabbi of NY is bashing NJ.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1424 on: April 26, 2020, 12:52:23 AM »
Most of klal yisroel closed their Shuls appx a week after purim. Contrary to what some here like to think most of the people making these decisions are responsible ehrliche people that were following the advice of most doctors and of the government that didn't feel at that point closing shuls was necessary.

In hindsight should things have been closed earlier? Yes. Does that mean that what most of klal yisroel did was wrong at the time based on the circumstances at time? No.
That one line is exactly whats wrong here. Who the heck are you at any point to say that I "didnt feel at that point closing shuls was necessary"? Were those COVIDIOTS epidemiologists? No they were misguided "erliche"  drumak dummies.
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