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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1520 on: April 28, 2020, 01:33:32 AM »
I'm really don't think that many people understand how the virus may teach in the levels of dying down due to social distancing.

A lot will just be like oh yeah it's all gone we a got it .

Watch out for NY infection #2

I figure shavuos will be the next bomb followed by another 4 weeks of hell
Doom & Gloom. Please enough is enough. The country is reopening slowly but surely Bh and you keep on with your warnings.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1521 on: April 28, 2020, 01:40:38 AM »
Doom & Gloom. Please enough is enough. The country is reopening slowly but surely Bh and you keep on with your warnings.

Yes let’s stick with ostrich defense - it’s working out so well.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1522 on: April 28, 2020, 01:40:48 AM »
Doom & Gloom. Please enough is enough. The country is reopening slowly but surely Bh and you keep on with your warnings.
He spoke to lots of top DR'S.... fact is, in Europe and other places where they closed shuls later or not at all, don't have the numbers we got. Shuls were an issue, but not nearly as much of a factor as people are making it out be.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1523 on: April 28, 2020, 01:53:43 AM »
The guy who won the noble prize said he'd be very surprised if Israeli death's top 10. They are at 204. With a new recent outbreak In the  belz community.

I said early on the guy is full of crap, you cannot get a handle on a pandemic with statistics because people don't act as you'd expect.

Sure this virus is going to go away if people listen or obviously if anybody gets infected in which case we're going to see a couple of thousand more dead

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1524 on: April 28, 2020, 02:00:54 AM »
The guy who won the noble prize said he'd be very surprised if Israeli death's top 10. They are at 204. With a new recent outbreak In the  belz community.

I said early on the guy is full of crap, you cannot get a handle on a pandemic with statistics because people don't act as you'd expect.

Sure this virus is going to go away if people listen or obviously if anybody gets infected in which case we're going to see a couple of thousand more dead

Oh give me a break. You were on the side of thousands dead. Face it, that didnt happen. Most of the US and the world is getting back to normal. Time for you to change your "world is ending" to a more normal plea that people should stay vigilant. At this point you are only causing people to shut you out.

If your rav allows tfilla you should go do it while keeping to all the rules.

If your rav does not allow it then dont go.

אלו ואלו דברי אלוהים חיים.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1525 on: April 28, 2020, 02:06:58 AM »
Oh give me a break. You were on the side of thousands dead. Face it, that didnt happen. Most of the US and the world is getting back to normal. Time for you to change your "world is ending" to a more normal plea that people should stay vigilant. At this point you are only causing people to shut you out.

If your rav allows tfilla you should go do it while keeping to all the rules.

If your rav does not allow it then dont go.

אלו ואלו דברי אלוהים חיים.

Where in Israel? The only reason they didn't have so much more death's is because they shut the entire country down.

That's how you kill out the whole virus

I'm hoping the death rate will stay at 250 or lower.  But that changes nothing.

Israel had a very strong handle on this, they came down hard to anyone not following the rules.

That is how they can open up now slowly. In the USA we never had such drastic lockdown.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1526 on: April 28, 2020, 02:10:01 AM »
As far as davening. We have been discussing to what extent we can reopen possible shavuos.

I favor no kids, no young people. Just married people or such who are responsible. Masks worn by all. Mandatory hand sanitizer on entering.

6 ft between all.

That is what I was going to see happen if indoor tefilos resume

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1527 on: April 28, 2020, 02:11:04 AM »
Where in Israel? The only reason they didn't have so much more death's is because they shut the entire country down.

That's how you kill out the whole virus

I'm hoping the death rate will stay at 250 or lower.  But that changes nothing.

Israel had a very strong handle on this, they came down hard to anyone not following the rules.

That is how they can open up now slowly. In the USA we never had such drastic lockdown.

Your quote was about Israel so I was referring to Israel. ISRAEL has had porch minyanim EVERY SINGLE DAY since the lockdown!!! Every single city has porch minyanim!! They are not the cause of the Corona. Stupidity is!! If people in the US can only learn that social distancing is the way to live then there is no reason not to open the country back up. Places like China/South Korea/Israel and others that have people following the rules can open up.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1528 on: April 28, 2020, 04:05:36 AM »
Your quote was about Israel so I was referring to Israel. ISRAEL has had porch minyanim EVERY SINGLE DAY since the lockdown!!! Every single city has porch minyanim!! They are not the cause of the Corona. Stupidity is!! If people in the US can only learn that social distancing is the way to live then there is no reason not to open the country back up. Places like China/South Korea/Israel and others that have people following the rules can open up.

Why does your yetzer Hara need porch minyanim so badly ?

Btw whomever ignored directives In NYC covid19 has the blood of er Dr breen and the paramedic who committed suicide.

We have been over this a million times..  as the lubavitcher Rebbe
Told Micheal Savage , God doesn't need your prayers, you need the prayers..

Adam ki yakriv mikem korban l'havaye. God wants us to sacrafice ourselves.

God doesn't want tefilla b'tzibur as people infect and kill others
 
Now I understand how the lo sasseh of not sacrificing your kids to Molech is still relevant

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1529 on: April 28, 2020, 06:13:27 AM »
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1530 on: April 28, 2020, 06:45:33 AM »
Most of the US and the world is getting back to normal.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1531 on: April 28, 2020, 09:33:09 AM »
Why does your yetzer Hara need porch minyanim so badly ?

Btw whomever ignored directives In NYC covid19 has the blood of er Dr breen and the paramedic who committed suicide.

We have been over this a million times..  as the lubavitcher Rebbe
Told Micheal Savage , God doesn't need your prayers, you need the prayers..

Adam ki yakriv mikem korban l'havaye. God wants us to sacrafice ourselves.

God doesn't want tefilla b'tzibur as people infect and kill others
 
Now I understand how the lo sasseh of not sacrificing your kids to Molech is still relevant
If Israel- which was one of the toughest countries to enact lockdowns etc... allowed porch minyanim all along then I don’t see why ppl should be more machmir than them when it’s done properly. And the BIG reason to daven with minyan is הן קל כביר לא ימאס תפלת רבים!
Follow your local guidelines AND DAVEN WITH MINYAN whenever so possible!

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1532 on: April 28, 2020, 09:36:12 AM »
Can't compare porch minyanim in a place with apartment buildings to porch minyanim in houses.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1534 on: April 28, 2020, 09:41:26 AM »
Can't compare porch minyanim in a place with apartment buildings to porch minyanim in houses.
You’re right that it’s not 100% completely comparable however there’s still a strong connection.
Additionally, places like the north in Israel have regular houses/porches not all of Israel is apt buildings.
Think upper Tiberia etc...meron...

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1535 on: April 28, 2020, 09:43:13 AM »
You’re right that it’s not 100% completely comparable however there’s still a strong connection.
I don't see the strong connection. When everyone's in an apartment it's very easy to have social distance and hear the chazan.
In houses, it's not and that leads to people moving closer and being tempted to have kriah.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1536 on: April 28, 2020, 09:43:43 AM »
Can't compare porch minyanim in a place with apartment buildings to porch minyanim in houses.
Outdoor minyanim are happening all over Israel, including yishuvim with houses. and not just chareidim...

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1537 on: April 28, 2020, 09:44:31 AM »
Chaims been really busy lately...
He wants to renegotiate his contract.  >:(
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1538 on: April 28, 2020, 09:46:22 AM »
I don't see the strong connection. When everyone's in an apartment it's very easy to have social distance and hear the chazan.
In houses, it's not and that leads to people moving closer and being tempted to have kriah.
Didn’t happen in the minyan I observed. They had a Sefer Torah but all olim made the bracha from their respective porches. Was completely sterile situation just like in Israel.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1539 on: April 28, 2020, 09:51:22 AM »
Didn’t happen in the minyan I observed. They had a Sefer Torah but all olim made the bracha from their respective porches. Was completely sterile situation just like in Israel.
OK?
And it does happen in others.
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