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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1540 on: April 28, 2020, 09:59:30 AM »
He wants to renegotiate his contract.  >:(
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1541 on: April 28, 2020, 10:00:55 AM »
He wants to renegotiate his contract.  >:(
First check if he'll make more on unemployment
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1542 on: April 28, 2020, 10:31:39 AM »
Chaims been really busy lately...
he had a pretty long nap...
Ever since CV started posting  ;)

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1543 on: April 28, 2020, 10:59:39 AM »
Didn’t happen in the minyan I observed. They had a Sefer Torah but all olim made the bracha from their respective porches. Was completely sterile situation just like in Israel.

FYI, from what it seems, Rav Shternbuch is a daas yochid regarding that arrangement.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1544 on: April 28, 2020, 12:29:16 PM »
First off I was against open shuls. Knowing now what we do about the virus spreading indoors by human to human I was right.

Regarding outdoor minyanim. The issue always was that people weren't taking it seriously.

I see Israel has much more widespread use of masks.

I have no interest in debating every scenario.


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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1545 on: April 28, 2020, 03:24:17 PM »
OK?
And it does happen in others.
My son is part of a porch minyan everyone stays on the porch. My son is the Bal Koreh and he gets all the aliyahs. Nobody come on the porch. Yes I agree some people are not careful. Alot of porch minyanim in his neighborhood are careful with distancing.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1546 on: April 28, 2020, 03:45:58 PM »
If Israel- which was one of the toughest countries to enact lockdowns etc... allowed porch minyanim all along then I don’t see why ppl should be more machmir than them when it’s done properly. And the BIG reason to daven with minyan is הן קל כביר לא ימאס תפלת רבים!
Follow your local guidelines AND DAVEN WITH MINYAN whenever so possible!

Just to play devils advocate you may not be davening with a minyanim at all if there aren’t 10 on one porch (gr”a chayei Adam and aruch hashulchan hold chazzaras hashas and laining are a bracha levatala, mishna berurah is unsure).

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1547 on: April 28, 2020, 04:21:43 PM »
Just to play devils advocate you may not be davening with a minyanim at all if there aren’t 10 on one porch (gr”a chayei Adam and aruch hashulchan hold chazzaras hashas and laining are a bracha levatala, mishna berurah is unsure).
See Rabbi Shmuel Felder and Rabbi Sternbuch among others who deal with this.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1548 on: April 28, 2020, 04:46:49 PM »
See Rabbi Shmuel Felder and Rabbi Sternbuch among others who deal with this.

Rabbi Felder specifically said in the shiur that because it’s so shvach to rely on a chazzan has to have in mind tefillas nedava and its perfectly fine to daven beyechidus and not join if one feels he davens better alone.

Rav Shlomo Miller takes it further and says the you cannot lain or do chazzaras hashas since it’s a safek ‘lo sisa’

Not quite:

If Israel- which was one of the toughest countries to enact lockdowns etc... allowed porch minyanim all along then I don’t see why ppl should be more machmir than them when it’s done properly. And the BIG reason to daven with minyan is הן קל כביר לא ימאס תפלת רבים!
Follow your local guidelines AND DAVEN WITH MINYAN whenever so possible!


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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1549 on: April 28, 2020, 04:47:06 PM »
Was just outside for about an hour. Two neighbors in their driveway, two neighbors on the porch and I was on the side walk. Good thing it wasn't BP or someone would be calling the police.  :)
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1550 on: April 28, 2020, 06:22:36 PM »
Rabbi Felder specifically said in the shiur that because it’s so shvach to rely on a chazzan has to have in mind tefillas nedava and its perfectly fine to daven beyechidus and not join if one feels he davens better alone.

Rav Shlomo Miller takes it further and says the you cannot lain or do chazzaras hashas since it’s a safek ‘lo sisa’

Not quite:
You are very right. I’m saying that if your minyan has all the qualifications then by all means go for it.
I wonder what R’ Felder personally does...
Additionally Rabbi Asher Weiss says that it’s 100% good minyan these days. See him say that on KolHalashon.Com

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1551 on: April 28, 2020, 07:02:40 PM »
You are very right. I’m saying that if your minyan has all the qualifications then by all means go for it.
I wonder what R’ Felder personally does...
Additionally Rabbi Asher Weiss says that it’s 100% good minyan these days. See him say that on KolHalashon.Com

See the section about tefila here
https://rabbinicalalliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Minchas-Asher-Corona.pdf

See also here
https://www.torahbase.org/%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%91%D7%A2%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%99-%D7%AA%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%91%D7%96%D7%9E%D7%9F-%D7%94%D7%AA%D7%A4%D7%A9%D7%98%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%9E%D7%92%D7%A4%D7%94/

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1552 on: April 28, 2020, 07:09:46 PM »
Was just outside for about an hour. Two neighbors in their driveway, two neighbors on the porch and I was on the side walk. Good thing it wasn't BP or someone would be calling the police.  :)

Was anyone wearing a prayer shawl? If not you’re safe.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1553 on: April 28, 2020, 07:22:44 PM »
Was anyone wearing a prayer shawl? If not you’re safe.
I did put on a Yakama to see if we had any anti-Semites on our block. No petitions popping up so far. 
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1554 on: April 28, 2020, 07:42:55 PM »
But it did just see a chasidish family from assuming NY, in Walgreens like no big deal. 12/13 year old daughter / sister was playing with younger ones, girl has a face mask on but pulled down to her chin and in middle of Walgreens she's.. blowing bubbles at the kids.. dude.. bubbles you just blew floating in the store?!

I'm not judging or actually give a hoot but just shows, people can attend minyanim and no idea what their kids are doing..

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1555 on: April 28, 2020, 07:44:52 PM »
But it did just see a chasidish family from assuming NY, in Walgreens like no big deal. 12/13 year old daughter / sister was playing with younger ones, girl has a face mask on but pulled down to her chin and in middle of Walgreens she's.. blowing bubbles at the kids.. dude.. bubbles you just blew floating in the store?!

I'm not judging or actually give a hoot but just shows, people can attend minyanim and no idea what their kids are doing..
I'm not understanding the connection to minyanim
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1556 on: April 28, 2020, 08:05:48 PM »
I'm not understanding the connection to minyanim
It's the same players dude.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1557 on: April 28, 2020, 08:32:25 PM »
I'm not understanding the connection to minyanim

Parents being kids to shull / store wtvr don't bother watching.. often same parent will talk to friends.

It's not minyanim I oppose, it's the related behaviours.. I'm opposed to that in general, talking during davening, kids all over the place.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1558 on: April 28, 2020, 08:48:59 PM »
our porch minyan turned into a driveway minyan, its more mehudar in hilchos minyan
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1559 on: April 28, 2020, 08:56:00 PM »
our porch minyan turned into a driveway minyan, its more mehudar in hilchos minyan
Depending on many points
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