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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1580 on: April 29, 2020, 03:17:19 PM »
wait there is a way to approach this issue without yelling at people? I remember davening in a shul that had a no collectors during davening policy to help enhance the atmosphere. One time someone came in to collect and halfway through was thrown out by a member yelling and shouting at him for coming in during davening. I wonder which was more of a distraction to the kehilla and if the davening of that tzibbur accomplished anything that day.

Trust me people here don't care, in my shul there's no busha

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1581 on: April 29, 2020, 03:32:02 PM »
wait there is a way to approach this issue without yelling at people? I remember davening in a shul that had a no collectors during davening policy to help enhance the atmosphere. One time someone came in to collect and halfway through was thrown out by a member yelling and shouting at him for coming in during davening. I wonder which was more of a distraction to the kehilla and if the davening of that tzibbur accomplished anything that day.
Similar story happened when I was a child. Not sure what the commotion was actually about. But a gabbai was yelling at a meshulach. The guy just stood there for a minute, then left. My father turned to me and said "i'm so jealous of that meshulach right now, he was just Koineh all the gabbai's oilam habbah so quickly!" Left a big impact on me

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1582 on: April 29, 2020, 03:35:08 PM »
Trust me people here don't care, in my shul there's no busha

and you daven with them?

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1583 on: April 29, 2020, 03:50:58 PM »
Talking of a no collecting policy. Famous story of the Noda B'Yehuda. The Kehila asked him to sign a new takana that collectors shouldn't be allowed to go around to collect, as it disturbs the people, one who want's to give Tzadaka should go over to them. So he looked at the sheet and said "This isn't a new takana which needs my signature, it's an old takana from the וועד ארבע ארצות", when he saw how they looked at him surprised, he explained "Yes, from סדום ועמורה אדמה וצבויים.."

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1584 on: April 29, 2020, 04:31:54 PM »
and you daven with them?

Me? I'm very bad at dragging my tush to shul. I also have very bad ADD.

I go most weeks Shabbat. I used to love prayers at the kotel and mearat hamachpela. Personally standard chabad prayers aren't my style, need chabad house or young Israel.

It is what it is. when we moved to the new building where did the beginning we started a policy that nobody's allowed to go in or out during the rabbi's speech..

You would be amazed at how people really didn't get it for the first 25 times.

In addition it was a big problem of people going in and out during aliyos. So we instituted that you can only go in and out in between aliyos.

This is the policy in young Israel I grew up davening at.

I much rather someone sit in shul and read John grisham during davening than talk.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1585 on: April 29, 2020, 04:42:30 PM »

In addition it was a big problem of people going in and out during aliyos. So we instituted that you can only go in and out in between aliyos.

As an aside, such a practice might also be sakanas nefashos
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1586 on: April 29, 2020, 04:44:36 PM »
As an aside, such a practice might also be sakanas nefashos

Don't be silly we don't lock the door.

If it's urgent you can leave.. no one needs to go in for sakanas nefashos

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1587 on: April 29, 2020, 04:52:39 PM »
Don't be silly we don't lock the door.

If it's urgent you can leave.. no one needs to go in for sakanas nefashos

LOL I meant the first part.

In addition it was a big problem of people going in and out during aliyos.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1588 on: April 30, 2020, 09:07:24 AM »
The gedolim in EY came out that even though the government allowed the opening of schools, charedi schools shouldn't open.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1589 on: April 30, 2020, 09:12:40 AM »
The gedolim in EY came out that even though the government allowed the opening of schools, charedi schools shouldn't open.
Wow. Which gedolim? Do you have a link?
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1590 on: April 30, 2020, 09:14:58 AM »
Wow. Which gedolim? Do you have a link?
not that it's confirmation, but someone posted a list of prominent yeshivas which are NOT reopening.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1591 on: April 30, 2020, 09:15:51 AM »
The gedolim in EY came out that even though the government allowed the opening of schools, charedi schools shouldn't open.

Which Gedolim? Do you have a link?

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1592 on: April 30, 2020, 09:17:25 AM »
מדובר בהחלטה שקיבלו גדולי הדור, שר התורה הגר"ח קנייבסקי, נשיא מועצת חכמי התורה הגר"ש כהן וראש הישיבה הגרי"ג אדלשטיין שהורו שלא לפתוח את המוסדות לילדים הצעירים.

http://kore.co.il/viewArticle/63181
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1593 on: April 30, 2020, 09:38:55 AM »
מדובר בהחלטה שקיבלו גדולי הדור, שר התורה הגר"ח קנייבסקי, נשיא מועצת חכמי התורה הגר"ש כהן וראש הישיבה הגרי"ג אדלשטיין שהורו שלא לפתוח את המוסדות לילדים הצעירים.

http://kore.co.il/viewArticle/63181

Not to wake the hamster, but I wonder who are the medical/policy experts informing these Gedolim.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1594 on: April 30, 2020, 09:42:21 AM »
Not to wake the hamster...
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1595 on: April 30, 2020, 10:28:20 AM »
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1596 on: April 30, 2020, 10:36:10 AM »
not considered davening with a minyan. Only for בשעה שהציבור מתפללים purposes


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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1597 on: April 30, 2020, 10:39:19 AM »
Not to wake the hamster, but I wonder who are the medical/policy experts informing these Gedolim.
I would imagine that the ones connected to ג get info through Litzman
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #1598 on: May 01, 2020, 05:03:13 PM »
Updated minyan guidelines for Lakewood

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