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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2120 on: May 20, 2020, 02:15:00 PM »
good for religious weddings..

They weren't happening until now?
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2121 on: May 20, 2020, 02:32:17 PM »
good for religious weddings..
Does the kallah count?
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2122 on: May 20, 2020, 02:48:53 PM »
Does the kallah count?

Depends how religious the wedding is...
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2123 on: May 20, 2020, 03:21:53 PM »
Depends how religious the wedding is...

I saw some pictures from Ger and belz Rebbe's children / grandchildren and it looked as if there wasn't even the kalla at the chupa 🤣

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2124 on: May 20, 2020, 03:40:43 PM »
https://www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-now-says-coronavirus-does-not-spread-easily-via-contaminated-surfaces

This just goes to show how the thinking evolved. Early on, they were less worried about human closeness, more about contaminated surfaces.

All that wiping down at shuls while people were close together was pointless.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2125 on: May 20, 2020, 05:21:05 PM »

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2126 on: May 20, 2020, 05:29:44 PM »
https://www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-now-says-coronavirus-does-not-spread-easily-via-contaminated-surfaces

This just goes to show how the thinking evolved. Early on, they were less worried about human closeness, more about contaminated surfaces.

All that wiping down at shuls while people were close together was pointless.

For some odd reason, the number one precaution, which is probably the most important, of not touching one's face and washing hands, has been forgotten with all the stress on "social distancing" and facial masks.

And a second wave might come, just because rather than stressing and ingraining proper handwashing habits and not touching one's face, there has been all this emphasis on distancing and masks (which essentially is a workaround for the important parts of not touching one's face and avoiding hand contact with others).

And since hands are the most significant transmittal mechanism of pathogens, with the face being the most significant entry point of pathogens into the body, it is sustainable habits about those two issues that should have been emphasized and ingrained, rather than non-sustainable lockdowns which cause signficant collateral damage.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2127 on: May 20, 2020, 05:32:46 PM »
For some odd reason, the number one precaution, which is probably the most important, of not touching one's face and washing hands, has been forgotten with all the stress on "social distancing" and facial masks.

And a second wave might come, just because rather than stressing and ingraining proper handwashing habits and not touching one's face, there has been all this emphasis on distancing and masks (which essentially is a workaround for the important parts of not touching one's face and avoiding hand contact with others).

And since hands are the most significant transmittal mechanism of pathogens, with the face being the most significant entry point of pathogens into the body, it is sustainable habits about those two issues that should have been emphasized and ingrained, rather than non-sustainable lockdowns which cause signficant collateral damage.

This virus seems to be primarily transmitted through aerosols.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2128 on: May 20, 2020, 05:36:17 PM »
This virus seems to be primarily transmitted through aerosols.

That's what they're claiming. Is it directly into the nose, mouth and eyes, or is it via a secondary transmission mechanism such as the hands.

And where's the scientific proof of that claim? I'm not saying that I have scientific proof to mine, but it's a common sense issue that works and has worked, and can be attested to by any doctor. Keeping one's hands away from their face is one of the best methods to avoid getting sick from viruses and bacteria.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2129 on: May 20, 2020, 07:10:05 PM »
That's what they're claiming. Is it directly into the nose, mouth and eyes, or is it via a secondary transmission mechanism such as the hands.

And where's the scientific proof of that claim? I'm not saying that I have scientific proof to mine, but it's a common sense issue that works and has worked, and can be attested to by any doctor. Keeping one's hands away from their face is one of the best methods to avoid getting sick from viruses and bacteria.
Unless you plane on always wearing a mask that remains true since there is not much else did do about aerosols unless you keep away from people.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2131 on: May 20, 2020, 10:01:55 PM »
Apparently Chicago will be opening up shuls for 10 person minyanim soon. Letter from Rabbanim not released yet

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2132 on: May 20, 2020, 10:09:08 PM »
Apparently Chicago will be opening up shuls for 10 person minyanim soon. Letter from Rabbanim not released yet

Yes, one of the Shuls already sent out an email. (Ironically, they were having a minyan of exactly 10 for two weeks already.)
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2133 on: May 20, 2020, 10:20:18 PM »
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2134 on: May 20, 2020, 10:22:44 PM »
Here is the recording

http://www.rabbigissinger.com/corona/index.html

For those who don’t want to listen for close to an hour. Basically says the Rabbonim were pressured by panicked baalei battim who’s smartphones are their only real Rov to close the shuls. That many stayed open throughout and no one at these places died. That the chassam Sofer says that the sotton tries to get shuls to close in a mageifa because that is when people will die. That the Agudah released their shul guidelines as a reaction to the OU releasing theirs, and sent it to the moetzes members midnight Thursday with an emergency meeting held 930 the next morning so that none of them read the guidelines.

That the no talking in shul campaign is wrong; everyone should talk in shul and make the shul their home where there are comfortable until their davening gets to the point where they will talk less. That shuls should never have closed and we are worshiping the governor instead of Hashem etc. etc.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2135 on: May 21, 2020, 01:21:15 AM »
For those who don’t want to listen for close to an hour. Basically says the Rabbonim were pressured by panicked baalei battim who’s smartphones are their only real Rov to close the shuls. That many stayed open throughout and no one at these places died. That the chassam Sofer says that the sotton tries to get shuls to close in a mageifa because that is when people will die. That the Agudah released their shul guidelines as a reaction to the OU releasing theirs, and sent it to the moetzes members midnight Thursday with an emergency meeting held 930 the next morning so that none of them read the guidelines.

That the no talking in shul campaign is wrong; everyone should talk in shul and make the shul their home where there are comfortable until their davening gets to the point where they will talk less. That shuls should never have closed and we are worshiping the governor instead of Hashem etc. etc.
It’s fascinating!

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2136 on: May 21, 2020, 09:29:28 AM »
I heard that the rabbanim in lkwd are gonna ( officially)let shuls open this shabbos. They plan on releasing guidelines tomorrow

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2137 on: May 21, 2020, 10:01:29 AM »
Rabbi Billet's group put out another letter:
https://5townscentral.com/2020/05/21/a-letter-to-the-community-from-rabbonim/

The way I'm hearing it from my father, whose Rov/shul is on that letter, they're ready to start from a medical standpoint, they just want to be more careful in setting up the logistics and making sure to open in the safest way possible. I would say I've been very supportive of this group, even though I would (and now have) started with minyan prior to their ok. To me this is major ammunition to those who feel they haven't given enough weight to the importance of minyan. That's not to say that they haven't been correct in the past - to say that the risks outweigh the importance of minyan. But everyone knew there would be a time that minyanim would be allowed in whatever capacity, and that the 2 main obstructions to that were legal and medical. How could they not have all the plans/protocol/logistics ready to go the moment it was legally/medically cleared? If the medical side is still an issue, they should be much more clear about it and explain why (plus, as I said, it sounds like internally they're saying it's logistics, not medical).

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2138 on: May 21, 2020, 10:07:49 AM »
Had 3 minyanim this morning. First 10 people were in one side of the room, and the rest were on the other side behind a divider.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2139 on: May 21, 2020, 10:09:04 AM »
most shuls in BP, monsey, Lakewood will be open in some form (if they were closed last week)
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