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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2180 on: May 22, 2020, 02:25:35 PM »

Yes.
Any house of worship can legally be open.... lots of places wanted to open but couldn't legally... now they can.

Um, not exactly. I suggest you read up on the Reserved Powers Clause. Unfortunately that power is reserved for the States and it is up to the Governers to make that call unless the courts will issue a ruling. There is little the President can do about it but it’s nice that he wants to help, and it may put some political pressure on the states...,

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2181 on: May 22, 2020, 02:27:19 PM »
There is little the President can do about it but it’s nice that he wants to make a show of supposedly helping, and it may put some political pressure on the states...,
FTFY and likely to have the opposite effect on some blue states.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2182 on: May 22, 2020, 02:28:47 PM »
Um, not exactly. I suggest you read up on the Reserved Powers Clause. Unfortunately that power is reserved for the States and it is up to the Governers to make that call unless the courts will issue a ruling. There is little the President can do about it but it’s nice that he wants to help, and it may put some political pressure on the states...,
I read up. I'm sure he'll figure out how to overridde them if they don't open.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2183 on: May 22, 2020, 02:33:14 PM »
I read up. I'm sure he'll figure out how to overridde them if they don't open.

Ah, I'm glad your posts are as factual as usual. Thank you!
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2184 on: May 22, 2020, 02:35:30 PM »
I read up. I'm sure he'll figure out how to overridde them if they don't open.
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You mean put pressure. You can’t override the constitution. You can direct the justice apartment to sue in the courts to have the order overturned as unconstitutional by claiming that religion is not being given equal treatment to other businesses deemed essential, which is the course the president is most likely to take if the governors don’t relent.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2185 on: May 22, 2020, 03:00:54 PM »
FTFY and likely to have the opposite effect on some blue states.
Murphy is very weak. If you follow what he has been doing he usually responds to lawsuits and protests by letting a few more drips open. (he made his first move after a big protest in Trenton, he let drive thru services in response to a lawsuit). Therefore it is likely he will do something in response.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2186 on: May 22, 2020, 03:01:57 PM »
Murphy is very weak. If you follow what he has been doing he usually responds to lawsuits and protests by letting a few more drips open. (he made his first move after a big protest in Trenton, he let drive thru services in response to a lawsuit). Therefore it is likely he will do something in response.
He already allowed religious services as of today, no?

ETA: All gatherings, not religious services
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2187 on: May 22, 2020, 03:08:57 PM »
Ah, I'm glad your posts are as factual as usual. Thank you!

Crazy how every thread that anything to do with corona, just ends up with bashing and belittling people. Really sad
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2188 on: May 22, 2020, 03:12:23 PM »
Funny coming from you...
Because @Lurker is known for pure speculation and agenda driven fake news?
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2189 on: May 22, 2020, 03:15:29 PM »
Because @Lurker is known for pure speculation and agenda driven fake news?
You mean the one who keeps claiming that all of Florida’s numbers are fake?

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2190 on: May 22, 2020, 03:17:25 PM »
Because @Lurker is known for pure speculation and agenda driven fake news?
As if everyone doesn't have an agenda.....

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2191 on: May 22, 2020, 03:18:59 PM »
As if everyone doesn't have an agenda.....
What agenda would you say he has?
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2192 on: May 22, 2020, 03:22:45 PM »
You mean the one who keeps claiming that all of Florida’s numbers are fake?

Lol, you mean the posts which I flagged as a conspiracy theory because I can't see how the numbers add up? I try to be very clear about when I'm speculating. I don't think I've ever said something is definitively legal when it's clearly not. I don't think I've even said anything clearly counter-factual, for that matter. If I did/do, and I get called out on it, I'm not about to double down. As I've said before, I stand behind everything I post here. And if I'm wrong, I publicly walk it back.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2193 on: May 22, 2020, 03:52:48 PM »
FTFY and likely to have the opposite effect on some blue states.

Not necessarily. There are few powers vested by the constitution in the office of the POTUS, but he most definitely influences (and in the case of DJT you can say controls) the national conversation.

The governors won't stand up against this for long.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2194 on: May 22, 2020, 03:56:36 PM »
Going into Shabbos, what is your shul doing?

Ours (NYC) joined with two other small Shuls, and are having a total of 7 minyanim in different locations with 10 people each plus overflow in a legally separate gathering. Everyone had to sign up in advance.

Also, it seems the 10-person rule will only be enforced for gross violations.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2195 on: May 22, 2020, 04:07:03 PM »
The governors won't stand up against this for long.
This.
Legality isn't the question here. Trump initiated something, in his own way - claiming he has the authority knowingly he has not, but he'll manage to label the disagreeing Dem. Governors as religion depressors. Hence, "The governors won't stand up against this for long."

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2196 on: May 22, 2020, 04:11:19 PM »
Whatever Trump says should have no bearing on what we do. We should only return to shul when it is safe to do so, and in a safe manner. I like the lead some communities and shuls are taking as quoted in the other thread. It is refreshing to see strong and clear leadership.

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2197 on: May 22, 2020, 04:54:41 PM »
I really look forward to the reopening of 770.

If only we had proactive people in charge, I'm sure something could be worked out to have 770 open.
They are opening for 10 ppl only this shabbos, later on there will be a goral (per Kratz).

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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2198 on: May 22, 2020, 04:59:43 PM »
https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/05/breaking-president-trump-declares-houses-of-worship-essential-says-he-will-override-governors-who-dont-allow-them-to-reopen.html

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UPDATE: Askanim tell TLS that President Trump’s order to governors may not be as beneficial as it seems. With today’s polarized political climate, the leader of the Republican party coming out and saying that houses of worship should be opened makes the issue even more political and gives Democratic governors political reasons to keep them closed. The president’s order to reopen houses of worship will likely be ignored by Democratic governors, who maintain that they have authority over their states to decide what to do.
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
« Reply #2199 on: May 22, 2020, 05:33:58 PM »
They are opening for 10 ppl only this shabbos, later on there will be a goral (per Kratz).
I got the message too.  Opening for 10 ppl can't really be called opening. If you read his message it seems like it's more about a trial to see if they can control and limit.
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