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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

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Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
118 (37.5%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
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No
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Author Topic: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread  (Read 409130 times)

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3040 on: November 22, 2022, 08:51:46 AM »
Is it 40% effective against H3N2?

I heard from a pediatrician that they are estimating about 40% this year. They also said that while the flu can cause complications they have never seen any flu complications in vaccinated children.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3041 on: November 22, 2022, 09:05:05 AM »
I heard from a pediatrician that they are estimating about 40% this year. They also said that while the flu can cause complications they have never seen any flu complications in vaccinated children.
interesting because the sign I saw in the Doc office said that 75% of pediatric hospitalizations were unvaccinated. Being that about half of the population is unvaccinated that should only get you a 25% severity deduction.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3042 on: November 22, 2022, 09:12:00 AM »
I heard from a pediatrician that they are estimating about 40% this year.
Why would that be if the dominant strain is H3N2?

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3043 on: November 22, 2022, 09:19:31 AM »
If the vaccines stops x% of people from getting the flu and y% of the those getting it from being hospitalized, then what is the reasoning for not being vaccinated?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3044 on: November 22, 2022, 09:22:21 AM »
If the vaccines stops x% of people from getting the flu and y% of the those getting it from being hospitalized, then what is the reasoning for not being vaccinated?
Because if x and y are really low numbers for your specific age group itís not necessarily worth the trip and the sore arm.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3045 on: November 22, 2022, 09:26:48 AM »
Because if x and y are really low numbers for your specific age group itís not necessarily worth the trip and the sore arm.
No sore arm from mist.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3046 on: November 22, 2022, 09:34:53 AM »
Always ready with the relevant (even if only vaguely relevant) XKCD, so:



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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3047 on: November 22, 2022, 09:35:21 AM »
Because if x and y are really low numbers for your specific age group itís not necessarily worth the trip and the sore arm.
We value risk vs reward differently. Let's say it is 25% for x and y. I would still get the vaccine for myself and kids if they were still kids.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3048 on: November 22, 2022, 09:38:49 AM »
We value risk vs reward differently. Let's say it is 25% for x and y. I would still get the vaccine for myself and kids if they were still kids.
Ok. I vaccinated my kids. They were by the doc anyway. Doc doesnít give vaccines to adults so he wouldnít give me one. I will not be making any additional effort to get one. I am much younger than you.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3049 on: November 23, 2022, 12:25:56 AM »
Is it 40% effective against H3N2?
The early estimations of vaccine effectiveness are based on reports from South America where the flu season starts much earlier.

"The flu vaccine used in Chile, which included a match for the dominant H3N2 virus, was about 50 percent effective in preventing hospitalization. The shot used in the Northern Hemisphere includes the same virus makeup as the Southern Hemisphere vaccine, so experts hope the formulation might be similarly effective in preventing severe influenza illnesses."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/10/28/flu-season-2022-cdc/

Why would that be if the dominant strain is H3N2?
Since the vaccine in some past years was less effective against H3N2, a different subvariant of H3N2 was used this year.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3050 on: November 23, 2022, 08:58:55 AM »
The early estimations of vaccine effectiveness are based on reports from South America where the flu season starts much earlier.

"The flu vaccine used in Chile, which included a match for the dominant H3N2 virus, was about 50 percent effective in preventing hospitalization.
The chances of a healthy person in my age group being hospitalized from the flu is so low to begin with, that a 50% reduction isnít too meaningful.

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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3051 on: November 23, 2022, 10:29:33 AM »
The chances of a healthy person in my age group being hospitalized from the flu is so low to begin with, that a 50% reduction isnít too meaningful.
Now how about not getting the flu or getting the flu but not as severe?
Risk vs reward!  :)
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3052 on: November 23, 2022, 10:34:37 AM »
The chances of a healthy person in my age group being hospitalized from the flu is so low to begin with, that a 50% reduction isnít too meaningful.
I don't know your age, but I had 2 neighbors in their thirties who were hospitalized for pneumonia complications from the flu. I understand that is anecdotal.

Also, what are the chances of being sick in bed for a week?
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3053 on: November 23, 2022, 10:42:24 AM »
Also, what are the chances of being sick in bed for a week?
...or even just feeling like cr*p for a few days?

Also, I sure we all know of cases where one family member gets it and the whole family gets it.

Risk vs reward.
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Re: Vaccine Discussion Master Thread
« Reply #3054 on: November 23, 2022, 10:49:00 AM »
...or even just feeling like cr*p for a few days?

Also, I sure we all know of cases where one family member gets it and the whole family gets it.

Risk vs reward.

Interestingly, my family had an appointment for someone to come and vaccinate last Friday and my wife came down with the flu earlier in the week. She was the only one in the family to get it and the rest of the family got vaccinated Friday. A neighbor just had the entire family sick with the flu at once.
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