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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #300 on: February 18, 2021, 11:28:15 PM »
While certain things are understandable I highly doubt 90% of canadians (or more specifically quebecers) would agree to everything. Imagine having to sneak out of your house to visit ones relative because it's "after 8"..
That's your opinion. The vast majority of people in Quebec do not want anybody to be able to visit relatives. Why is it so difficult to comprehend that people actually see things differently than you?

@Moshe123 has a different opinion. He genuinely doesn't care. He doesn't think there is any reason to take our neighbors wishes into account and doesn't think we should concern ourselves with how our actions will make our neighbors feel. Antisemitism is inherent and from Hashem and nothing we do will change anything.

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #301 on: February 18, 2021, 11:37:28 PM »
That's your opinion. The vast majority of people in Quebec do not want anybody to be able to visit relatives. Why is it so difficult to comprehend that people actually see things differently than you?
While that's obviously my personal opinion, how can you be so certain that the "vast majority" would disagree?
It's not the comprehension that people defer, rather the understanding of the lockdown implementation that truly boggles my mind.

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #302 on: February 18, 2021, 11:54:45 PM »
how can you be so certain that the "vast majority" would disagree?
https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/montreal/2021/1/19/1_5272915.html

You were right...support for the curfew is only at 81 percent....


Your whole issue was ‘can’t visit relative after 8pm’. THEY DON’T WANT PEOPLE VISITING RELATIVES
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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #303 on: February 19, 2021, 12:01:16 AM »
Based off that article (which can't be definitively an accurate source), it would seem that plenty of people don't think (again not a good data point) it's effective.
Your whole issue was ‘can’t visit relative after 8pm’. THEY DON’T WANT PEOPLE VISITING RELATIVES
Where talking about people and relatives who are together with each from 5am-7:59pm. Does Covid only spread after 8?!

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #304 on: February 19, 2021, 12:02:23 AM »
Based off that article (which can't be definitively an accurate source),
Oh please, there are plenty more.
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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #305 on: February 19, 2021, 12:15:18 AM »
They have a fraction of the COVID deaths (per capita) that the US has. What you call terrified pays off.
Yup and they really needed it with no hospitals or doctors in the country due to socialized medicine.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #306 on: February 19, 2021, 12:26:47 AM »
Oh please, there are plenty more.
I welcome any accurate source, I don't think that's very possible with the country in such a lockdown...
I would also love to hear a reason why my visiting a friend is only a problem after 8.

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #307 on: February 19, 2021, 08:11:50 AM »
My 2 cents:
We all know what online polling can mean, but being on the ground my observation is that the majority (50%+) of Quebecois support the curfew, not because they don't hate it, they certainly do but because they're told that it is what we need to do to stop the spread, they're told thatif we're just gonna have a few though weeks we'll be free after.

Same with border measures.

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #308 on: February 19, 2021, 08:16:55 AM »
Yup and they really needed it with no hospitals or doctors in the country due to socialized medicine.

That sounds a lot like: “As long as hospitals aren’t overwhelmed (to serve the young and healthy), we don’t really care about (weak/old) people dying”

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #309 on: February 19, 2021, 08:39:29 AM »
My 2 cents:
We all know what online polling can mean, but being on the ground my observation is that the majority (50%+) of Quebecois support the curfew, not because they don't hate it, they certainly do but because they're told that it is what we need to do to stop the spread, they're told thatif we're just gonna have a few though weeks we'll be free after.

Same with border measures.
I would say that lasted maybe for the first two weeks, by now people are realizing how crazy it is more and more.

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #310 on: February 19, 2021, 08:45:21 AM »
I would say that lasted maybe for the first two weeks, by now people are realizing how crazy it is more and more.

People+more and more is still not majority
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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #311 on: February 19, 2021, 08:48:20 AM »
People+more and more is still not majority
Again it's possible that there's a majority pro the lockdown, but I don't believe there can be an accurate way to prove that. My personal opinion is that it's not (anymore) a vast majority like the swooping 8-90% that some claim.

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #312 on: February 19, 2021, 08:50:33 AM »
Again it's possible that there's a majority pro the lockdown, but I don't believe there can be an accurate way to prove that. My personal opinion is that it's not (anymore) a vast majority like the swooping 8-90% that some claim.
I don't know what you have to back it up, what I see is my francophone neighbors & my francophone workmates
Plus, you see next to zero resistance or defiance
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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #313 on: February 19, 2021, 08:54:28 AM »
I don't know what you have to back it up, what I see is my francophone neighbors & my francophone workmates
Plus, you see next to zero resistance or defiance
Agreed. People in canada listen to their government regardless if they agree or not, perhaps that's because of the fines or maybe that's the way they are.
I don't have anyway to back it up as I don't believe there is an accurate way to prove either way.

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #314 on: February 19, 2021, 10:46:51 AM »
I find it interesting that the government has not opened any sort of booking portal and hotel quarantines are supposed to start in just over 72 hours. I would think the hotels need to know how many guests to expect. Wondering if they're not going to manage to get this up and running in time...

The government's application for hotels seemed to say that they were going to have some sort of portal for travelers to book rooms for their stays:

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/2019-novel-coronavirus-infection/latest-travel-health-advice/mandatory-hotel-stay-air-travellers/list-government-authorized-hotels-booking.html?utm_campaign=Oktopost-AMER-CT-One+Offs&utm_content=Oktopost-twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter#a2

The booking has to be done by phone through American Express Global Business Travel, so they are getting their 10 or 20% cut.