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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #400 on: March 09, 2021, 12:11:37 AM »
I know someone who's planning to drive one way from Toronto to NY, can he add me as a driver in NY and I'll drive it back to Toronto?
Or if anyone knows of a parent offering to give their car (7 seater) to get their son home for bein hazmanim, and I'd be able to join, we're 4 people with luggage..

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #401 on: March 09, 2021, 01:44:47 AM »
I know someone who's planning to drive one way from Toronto to NY, can he add me as a driver in NY and I'll drive it back to Toronto?
Or if anyone knows of a parent offering to give their car (7 seater) to get their son home for bein hazmanim, and I'd be able to join, we're 4 people with luggage..
Yes that should work, just keep in mind the fees for switching locations and perhaps for adding a driver.
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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #402 on: March 09, 2021, 01:56:43 AM »
Yes that should work, just keep in mind the fees for switching locations and perhaps for adding a driver.
Why not have him just make an ordinary reservation in Toronto. The only extra fee works be the extra driver

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #403 on: March 09, 2021, 01:57:58 AM »
Why not have him just make an ordinary reservation in Toronto. The only extra fee works be the extra driver
That's true. I misread that, which led to believe the car has already been rented.
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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #404 on: March 09, 2021, 08:42:58 AM »
Any taxi from the airport taxi stand will drive into Canada for $85 flat fee
good data point, thanks. They’ll take you anywhere close to the border? E.g. Niagara Falls, Canada and wait at the border crossing with you while you get processed?

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #405 on: March 09, 2021, 09:59:21 AM »
Is driving so much easier than flying that everyone is looking to drive?

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #406 on: March 09, 2021, 10:39:10 AM »
Is driving so much easier than flying that everyone is looking to drive?
Driving is not (at least at the moment) subject to the mandatory COVID hotel quarantine requirements applicable to entry via the airports.

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #407 on: March 09, 2021, 10:39:17 AM »
When you fly you are subject to mandatory hotel quarantine prepaid for three days and generally not refundable, even if covid test results are received earlier.  Additionally, if you receive a positive test while in hotel quarantine, you are moved to a government facility for the remainder of the quarantine.

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #408 on: March 09, 2021, 12:38:18 PM »
FYI- One exemption to the hotel quarantine and the land-border tests is if you have a positive PCR test result from between 14 and 90 before arrival. Might not help a ton of people but it's worth knowing about.

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #409 on: March 09, 2021, 12:43:59 PM »
FYI- One exemption to the hotel quarantine and the land-border tests is if you have a positive PCR test result from between 14 and 90 before arrival. Might not help a ton of people but it's worth knowing about.

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #410 on: March 09, 2021, 12:50:01 PM »
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Yup. Though I'm not sure I'd try that with the Canadian border guys. Aside from the potential for a massive chilul hashem (some of which is already happening with different shenanigans) I think @Alexsei posted a story about someone getting turned back or held up. There are also potentially big penalties.

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #411 on: March 09, 2021, 12:58:12 PM »
Yup. Though I'm not sure I'd try that with the Canadian border guys. Aside from the potential for a massive chilul hashem (some of which is already happening with different shenanigans) I think @Alexsei posted a story about someone getting turned back or held up. There are also potentially big penalties.

Where's the chilul hashem in getting infected? Does anyone at the border know how one got infected?

As a bochur from 770 put it to me: hanging around 770 is kind of a guarantee to maintain high antibody levels. (He flew to EY earlier this week and his initial PCR test came back inconclusive, it was run a second time and came back negative).
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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #412 on: March 09, 2021, 01:27:33 PM »


As a bochur from 770 put it to me: hanging around 770 is kind of a guarantee to maintain high antibody levels.

Or, like I heard about someone else that hangs out there a lot, they take a numerative antibody test each month and they keep on going up :)

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #413 on: March 09, 2021, 02:41:06 PM »
Where's the chilul hashem in getting infected? Does anyone at the border know how one got infected?

As a bochur from 770 put it to me: hanging around 770 is kind of a guarantee to maintain high antibody levels. (He flew to EY earlier this week and his initial PCR test came back inconclusive, it was run a second time and came back negative).

Didn’t your own pre-vaccine antibody levels refute this?

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #414 on: March 09, 2021, 02:52:51 PM »
Where's the chilul hashem in getting infected? Does anyone at the border know how one got infected?
Sorry I thought aygart was referring to obtaining a positive PCR without getting infected. I was saying that that's a potential massive chilul hashem.

Though once you've mentioned it, I do personally think that it doesn't reflect well on us to get infected. For example, many of the frum guys in my office have gotten covid while not a single non-Jewish employee has, and I've heard comments about it. I do not look for opportunities to tell people that I had it as I don't think it makes a kiddush hashem.

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #415 on: March 09, 2021, 09:48:51 PM »
Why not have him just make an ordinary reservation in Toronto. The only extra fee works be the extra driver

Can I add an additional driver at any Hertz rental or does it have to be the airport (when the car was rented in Canada, and I'm adding a driver in USA)

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #416 on: March 09, 2021, 09:57:03 PM »
Can I add an additional driver at any Hertz rental or does it have to be the airport (when the car was rented in Canada, and I'm adding a driver in USA)
Any should work.
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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #417 on: March 10, 2021, 02:24:29 AM »
So this thread doesn't seem to have any good news for pesach as of yet.

 So coming into the states from Canada might be ok to fly, but a pain to go back.

 Thinking out loud...

 I'm trying to have someone from toronto come in to NY, and then have someone from NY go to Toronto.

 Maybe someone who lives in Toronto Drives across the border from Toronto to buffalo airport, drop off pax at the airport, and pick up passenger from flight from EWR at BUF airport.

 Assuming the driver doesn't have to quarantine?

 Seems that my best option to accomplish both of my ideas. And then again do the very same to go back home.

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #418 on: March 10, 2021, 06:07:09 AM »
I don't think dropping someone off or picking someone up at the airport qualifies as an exemption from quarantine rules.   It needs to be for some essential l reason like dropping someone at school.

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Re: Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens
« Reply #419 on: March 10, 2021, 08:34:49 AM »
Maybe someone who lives in Toronto Drives across the border from Toronto to buffalo airport, drop off pax at the airport, and pick up passenger from flight from EWR at BUF airport.

Assuming the driver doesn't have to quarantine?
I haven't heard of any reason that the driver wouldn't have to quarantine. I'm pretty sure they would.

Maybe someone from Toronto brings the Toronto person to the border, person from NY flies to BUF and takes a taxi across the border, and that taxi takes your Toronto person back BUF (hopefully for a lot less than $85×2).

Alternatively, just do that to get your NY person to Toronto, and have Toronto person fly to NY. I'd prefer to fly YYZ-EWR rather than drive to the border, take a taxi, and then fly to EWR.