Canada closing borders to most travellers who are not citizens

[PlatinumGuy]

Can someone possibly explain me a logical reason why Montreal has opened the movie theaters for an occupancy of up to 250 people?!

It's very logical based on the false assumption that covid isn't airborne, and there isn't likely to be mass droplet transmission in a theater where people are stationary and quiet more than 2m from each other.

[AsherO]

It's very logical based on the false assumption that covid isn't airborne, and there isn't likely to be mass droplet transmission in a theater where people are stationary and quiet more than 2m from each other.

Canada is STILL making that false assumption?

[Yo ssi]

It's very logical based on the false assumption that covid isn't airborne, and there isn't likely to be mass droplet transmission in a theater where people are stationary and quiet more than 2m from each other.

So why not allow a silent synagogue without the 1 person limit? Does theater come before religion??

[PlatinumGuy]

Canada is STILL making that false assumption?

IINM Quebec specifically has been known to be very resistant to acknowledging airborne spread.

That being said, we don't know how common airborne spread is, so they may not be that wrong, especially if they mandated good ventilation.

So why not allow a silent synagogue without the 1 person limit? Does theater come before religion??

Because distance won't be observed

[Yo ssi]

Because distance won't be observed

Not anymore then a theater for collage students.
They can definitely enforce it like they've been doing all too well.

[PlatinumGuy]

Not anymore then a theater for collage students.
They can definitely enforce it like they've been doing all too well.

Have you ever seen a movie theater? It's dark and quiet and strangers are focusing on watching a movie. It's easy to block off seats to maintain distance and there is zero chance of large scale mingling.

Not sure where college students come into the story.

The shuls openly admit (see a few posts up) that they don't care what the people/government say, so it would take absurd resources for the government to enforce a distance requirement.

[Yo ssi]

Have you ever seen a movie theater? It's dark and quiet and strangers are focusing on watching a movie. It's easy to block off seats to maintain distance and there is zero chance of large scale mingling.

Not sure where college students come into the story.

The shuls openly admit (see a few posts up) that they don't care what the people/government say, so it would take absurd resources for the government to enforce a distance requirement.

While people perhaps don't speak during the movie before and after why shouldn't they? They specifically opened up the theaters and pools so kids should have what to do during their march break. They are spending their time discussing whether they should allow pop corn in the theaters!

I'm share their are plenty of shuls with theater like spacing that can and are fully willing to follow the rules albeit they can have a minyan.
Isn't there a limit on how much benefit of the doubt can be given?!

[PlatinumGuy]

While people perhaps don't speak during the movie before and after why shouldn't they?

The layout isn’t at all conducive for mingling...

I'm share their are plenty of shuls with theater like spacing that can and are fully willing to follow the rules albeit they can have a minyan.

And how is the government supposed to identify them?

Isn't there a limit on how much benefit of the doubt can be given?!

It isn’t benefit of the doubt, there is no remote similarly between theaters and Shuls and churches unless somebody is desperate to pretend they’re equal.

[AsherO]

Can someone possibly explain me a logical reason why Montreal has opened the movie theaters for an occupancy of up to 250 people?!

Do 90% of citizens agree to that as well??

And now NYC is opening theaters too:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/22/world/nyc-movie-theaters-opening.html

[lafindumonde]

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2021/02/22/exclusive-federal-hotel-quarantine-rules-being-ignored-by-some/

[Alexsei]

If you're a U.S. Citizen living in Canada I would like to ask you to please send something like this to your local U.S. Consulate. Feel free to post a better version

Hi,

To whom this may concern,

I'm aware of the current travel restrictions for U.S. land borders whereas entry to the USA from Canadian and Mexican land border ports are only allowed for a narrow list of essential traveler exemptions.

In the case of geographic restriction orders from other countries such as United Kingdom, Brazil or Iran the spouses of U.S. Citizens were exempt.

As a U.S. Citizen with a non U.S. Citizen spouse the current restrictions pose a great burden and extreme difficulties pertaining to family reunification and/or when one spouse needs to travel.

As a U.S. Citizen living in Canada I hereby beg you to make our voices heard through the various departments and bureaucratic chambers so that this reasonable and vital exemption be added to the temporary travel restriction order.

I would also note that Canada in it's restriction orders for its own borders reasonably added exceptions for spouses and certain other family members, it is my hope that this can be reciprocated as soon as possible.
 
Thank you

[Alexsei]

I know this is not the place but who ever can please sign this petition. There will be a meeting at 3 aclock  between the Quebec health ministry and the shuls regarding how many may be in a shul. The more signatures the stronger we stand.

http://chng.it/QHKT5THJ6q

[Yehudaa]

Figured this would get exposure here:

Anyone coming from from Lakewood or Monsey to Toronto and can bring 6 USB drives for me? TIA!

[lafindumonde]

More stupidity from Trudeau

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/border-ticket-tunnel-quarantine-act-1.5926311

[PlatinumGuy]

More stupidity from Trudeau

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/border-ticket-tunnel-quarantine-act-1.5926311

The guy was asking for trouble

He says he was given two options: get a test in the U.S. and return with a negative result, or quarantine in a Toronto hotel for two weeks.

"I refused because, in my mind, I'm an essential worker," he told CBC News. "I need to run my business in the United States."

[grodnoking]

The guy was asking for trouble

He wasn't asking for trouble. He believed he was right. When these yidden get kicked off a plane when they are wearing a mask properly and they refuse, and then they become banned for life from the airline, they are not "asking for trouble", they are protesting the wrong being done to them.

[Lurker]

He wasn't asking for trouble. He believed he was right.

ALOL!! Believing you're right and being right are not the same thing. I know cuz my wife told me.

[Yo ssi]

Anybody know if there is any rule about changing the place of quarantine mid stay?

[PlatinumGuy]

Anybody know if there is any rule about changing the place of quarantine mid stay?

There is, but I don't remember the rule.

[mordechain]

Don't tell them at the border that you are planning that, it will cause a migraine.
Once you are already in Canada, call Public health and notify them that for whatever reason (safety etc.) You had to switch quarantine location.