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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #120 on: April 16, 2017, 09:25:06 PM »
A degree is a fallback way to earn a living. Smart entrepreneurs can do way better, but people who aren't talented that way, will be left to handouts if they don't have some sort of training, be it an accountant, nurse, whatever. This is true across the board, chabad, Lakewood wherever. And it's much harder to do with 5 hungry kids than it is when you're 21.
That said the Lakewood system doesn't advocate that sort of prep, and don't see (as a non chabadnik) why shlichus or lack thereof should have any ramifications.

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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #121 on: April 19, 2017, 11:07:56 AM »
if this was in hebrew we would be able to get all the mashpi'im to chime in.
what a shame ;)
לכאורה אפשרי הדבר, אלא שלפענ"ד כל משפיע שאינו מדבר עם מושפעיו בלשונם הם - לאו משפיע הוא!
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #122 on: April 19, 2017, 11:10:16 AM »
לכאורה אפשרי הדבר, אלא שלפענ"ד כל משפיע שאינו מדבר עם מושפעיו בלשונם הם - לאו משפיע הוא!

Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #123 on: April 19, 2017, 11:10:28 AM »
Interesting.
I just saw him at a wedding in L.A. last year for the first time in at least 10, maybe 15 years.  He recognized me and came over to say hello...

Now the Rosh was another story. I went to daven at yeshiva maybe 5-6 years after I learnt there and he had no idea who I was.
While I didn't know you at the time you attended the Yeshiva in L.A., I would guess that even back then, you had a significant presence, so unless there were major changes in your features (beard grew significantly, etc.) I can't imagine how someone wouldn't recognize you.
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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #124 on: April 19, 2017, 02:19:03 PM »
לכאורה אפשרי הדבר, אלא שלפענ"ד כל משפיע שאינו מדבר עם מושפעיו בלשונם הם - לאו משפיע הוא!
One great moment in Yeshivah for me was learning באתי לגני תשי"א and I was having trouble understanding something. Try as he might, the mashpiah wasn't getting it through to me. So he sucks it up, and painful as it was, he drew a picture of the kav.

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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #125 on: April 19, 2017, 02:36:15 PM »
One great moment in Yeshivah for me was learning באתי לגני תשי"א and I was having trouble understanding something. Try as he might, the mashpiah wasn't getting it through to me. So he sucks it up, and painful as it was, he drew a picture of the kav.

Kav?

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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #127 on: April 19, 2017, 02:42:23 PM »

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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #128 on: April 19, 2017, 03:02:02 PM »
And that picture which he drew messed you up for life
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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #129 on: April 19, 2017, 03:21:03 PM »
And that picture which he drew messed you up for life
Not sure if you're joking

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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #130 on: April 19, 2017, 03:24:30 PM »
I am not. Maybe over exaggerating.
If a mashpia can draw a picture of the kav, there's a problem somewhere.
If a picture helped you with understanding of kav, there's an even bigger problem.
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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #131 on: April 19, 2017, 03:28:37 PM »
What's kav?

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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #132 on: April 19, 2017, 03:30:54 PM »
I don't sin, I give myself opportunities to repent.

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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #133 on: April 19, 2017, 03:58:07 PM »
I am not. Maybe over exaggerating.
If a mashpia can draw a picture of the kav, there's a problem somewhere.
If a picture helped you with understanding of kav, there's an even bigger problem.

Wow. You say that without knowing my age at the time, what was drawn, what was explained, or anything at all.

It is precisely this klein keppeldikeit that he was overcoming by using illustration as a tool to teach, and why I used it as an example of using the student's language. If you think your understanding of the kav is so deep as to be beyond being drawn, the kav is just as much beyond being explained by your mouth than that mashpiah's pen a paper.

No, he didn't draw me a map of seder hishtalshlus. There was a point he was trying to get a across (I don't remember what it was, it was 13 years ago) for which he used a drawing to help explain it. I used the expression "drew a picture of the kav" because I thought it was funny. The mashpiah was Nechemiah Bluming - even for those that aren't fans of his, I doubt any would take issue with his grasp of Chassidus or his reverence for it. Even as he was doing it, he was explaining why one wouldn't normally draw such things.

In summation: please.

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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #134 on: April 19, 2017, 04:08:28 PM »
Wow. You say that without knowing my age at the time, what was drawn, what was explained, or anything at all.

It is precisely this klein keppeldikeit that he was overcoming by using illustration as a tool to teach, and why I used it as an example of using the student's language. If you think your understanding of the kav is so deep as to be beyond being drawn, the kav is just as much beyond being explained by your mouth than that mashpiah's pen a paper.

No, he didn't draw me a map of seder hishtalshlus. There was a point he was trying to get a across (I don't remember what it was, it was 13 years ago) for which he used a drawing to help explain it. I used the expression "drew a picture of the kav" because I thought it was funny. The mashpiah was Nechemiah Bluming - even for those that aren't fans of his, I doubt any would take issue with his grasp of Chassidus or his reverence for it. Even as he was doing it, he was explaining why one wouldn't normally draw such things.

In summation: please.
Ok, your comment made it sound like the stereotypical board drawings of Seder hishtalshelus.
Hence
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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #135 on: April 19, 2017, 10:15:12 PM »
Ok, your comment made it sound like the stereotypical board drawings of Seder hishtalshelus.
Hence

What? Now you suddenly back down? You're not living up to your user name.

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« Reply #136 on: April 19, 2017, 11:09:41 PM »
What? Now you suddenly back down? You're not living up to your user name.
I don't have time to give a shiur, so I lechatchileh shut my mouth
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« Reply #137 on: April 19, 2017, 11:23:12 PM »
I don't have time to give a shiur, so I lechatchileh shut my mouth
Feel free to add
Except you didn't. You lechatchila said there was a "big problem" if I remember correctly. Then you back pedaled. So which is it?

The reason I am harassing you is because you seem to have inadvertently stumbled upon one of my pet peeves which is expressing stern disapproval and dismay of something for its lack of chasidishkeit and then being too busy to explain what was so terrible. I'm not saying you for sure did that, but it seemed like you may have. In other words, if drawing a picture of the kav is really what's wrong with Lubavitch today, then by all means, express your opinion with passion, but don't just be easily shocked and annoyed. Again, I'm not saying you did this, but it reminded me of when people do.

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« Reply #138 on: April 20, 2017, 12:42:03 AM »
Except you didn't. You lechatchila said there was a "big problem" if I remember correctly. Then you back pedaled. So which is it?

The reason I am harassing you is because you seem to have inadvertently stumbled upon one of my pet peeves which is expressing stern disapproval and dismay of something for its lack of chasidishkeit and then being too busy to explain what was so terrible. I'm not saying you for sure did that, but it seemed like you may have. In other words, if drawing a picture of the kav is really what's wrong with Lubavitch today, then by all means, express your opinion with passion, but don't just be easily shocked and annoyed. Again, I'm not saying you did this, but it reminded me of when people do.
Ok, I'm going to bite, hook line and sinker.


One of my pet peeves is when people say that chasidus can't be explained. That's kabala, not chasidus. If kav can be explained by a picture, you can't say shorsho bbilti baal gvul. If igul hagadol is a big circle, you don't understand a word. [Italics] You [/Italics] should be the first one to agree with me.
If bochurim wouldn't be tainted by such pictures and sayings there might be more people who are able to learn chasidus.
/Rant
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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #139 on: April 20, 2017, 01:23:20 AM »
Ok, I'm going to bite, hook line and sinker.


One of my pet peeves is when people say that chasidus can't be explained. That's kabala, not chasidus. If kav can be explained by a picture, you can't say shorsho bbilti baal gvul. If igul hagadol is a big circle, you don't understand a word. [Italics] You [/Italics] should be the first one to agree with me.
If bochurim wouldn't be tainted by such pictures and sayings there might be more people who are able to learn chasidus.
/Rant

And if it can be explained by a moshul you can say shorsho bbilti baal gvul?

Except you didn't. You lechatchila said there was a "big problem" if I remember correctly. Then you back pedaled. So which is it?

It can't be that the explanation of the scenario placated him?