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ExGingi: Wrong. Bh you woke up, thanks to Hashem as explained in modeh ani and even more in depth in inyanei shel toras hachasidus. If you would understand that sicha properly you would know that one doesn't simply wake up, it's not us who wake up, but rather thanks to the brachas of the rebbe and Hashem's help we wake up.
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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #150 on: April 20, 2017, 03:54:35 PM »
I'm at my brother's house and BH YouTube is blocked.

The video is just talking about mathematical infinity.

I'd appreciate an answer to my question
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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #151 on: April 20, 2017, 04:06:30 PM »
@lubaby, so now Mashpiim have to start showing YouTube videos?...  ::)
Did you watch the whole thing? If not, start here.

My point was not about understanding anything being Bli Gvul (or Infinity), it's about understanding how it's very hard to understand such concepts.

And that's not even bli-gvul!

Also don't forget that כשם שישנו בבלי-גבול כך ישנו בגבול.
Exactly.
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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #152 on: April 20, 2017, 04:14:01 PM »
1. I am definitely a better writer due to receiving some level of secular education. I have friends who went to high schools without English who simply can't write.

2. Shochet required shochad, not a GED. Other places to as well. Whole system is pretty sick, they don't make it easy to get.

3. BA.
So with those 3 statements, you didn't prove that you English education had ANYTHING to do with your business success.

Let me provide you with a few quotes from what I consider to be the קיצור שו"ע for anyone aspiring to be a Lubavitcher - לוח אור זרוע לחסידי חב"ד:


Underline added in allusion to a discussion in a different thread.

4. I'd say they both did, feel free to ask someone who attended my hour long DD history speech over YT. People have told me it was the most inspirational thing they've ever heard!

I don't know who attended (I know Jared and Ivanka didn't - but I wouldn't have a way to contact them, let alone have a conversation). Is the Shliach there Shapiro? If yes, did he attend? I do have a relationship with him, so I could ask him, but I'm sure I'm not the only one here curious to know what you might have spoken about on YomTov. Can't be Credit Cards or Points, as those would probably violate מדבר דבר. So why not write something about it, maybe post an outline of the talk.

In any event, I refer you back to the above quote, and provide here another one from the same source:



5. Good Enough Degree doesn't give any of the tools that may be necessary in life. I graduated number one in my MBA class, I don't think that happens without previous secular education the aibershter giving you your talents, and סיעתא דשמיא at many steps.
FTFY

PS: I just realized that this is post #2000! Am I required to do a JTZ/Houdini act?
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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #153 on: April 20, 2017, 04:30:49 PM »
ExGingi: Good morning Dan, how's you day going?

Dan: It's going well, thanks for asking.

ExGingi: Wrong. Bh you woke up, thanks to Hashem as explained in modeh ani and even more in depth in inyanei shel toras hachasidus. If you would understand that sicha properly you would know that one doesn't simply wake up, it's not us who wake up, but rather thanks to the brachas of the rebbe and Hashem's help we wake up.
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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #154 on: April 20, 2017, 04:58:07 PM »
ExGingi: Good morning Dan, how's you day going?

Dan: It's going well, thanks for asking.

ExGingi: Wrong. Bh you woke up, thanks to Hashem as explained in modeh ani and even more in depth in inyanei shel toras hachasidus. If you would understand that sicha properly you would know that one doesn't simply wake up, it's not us who wake up, but rather thanks to the brachas of the rebbe and Hashem's help we wake up.
Serious question.

Does exgingi believe in this:  "wake up thanks to brochas of the Rebbe"? Or was that not serious?

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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #155 on: April 20, 2017, 05:04:15 PM »
Serious question.

Does exgingi believe in this:  "wake up thanks to brochas of the Rebbe"? Or was that not serious?
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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #156 on: April 20, 2017, 05:08:08 PM »
Who are you directing your question at?
You also

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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #157 on: April 20, 2017, 05:09:46 PM »
You also
You are only entitled to question me on statements that I make, not on what people imagine I might say.
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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #158 on: April 20, 2017, 05:15:27 PM »
You are only entitled to question me on statements that I make, not on what people imagine I might say.

Good point. JJ, what do you imagine ExGinigi would respond.

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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #159 on: April 20, 2017, 05:18:09 PM »
You are only entitled to question me on statements that I make, not on what people imagine I might say.

But then he should ask JJ what he thinks you believe.
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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #160 on: April 20, 2017, 05:22:29 PM »
PS: I just realized that this is post #2000! Am I required to do a JTZ/Houdini act?

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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #161 on: April 20, 2017, 05:27:06 PM »
ExGingi: Good morning Dan, how's you day going?

Dan: It's going well, thanks for asking.

ExGingi: Wrong. Bh you woke up, thanks to Hashem as explained in modeh ani and even more in depth in inyanei shel toras hachasidus. If you would understand that sicha properly you would know that one doesn't simply wake up, it's not us who wake up, but rather thanks to the brachas of the rebbe and Hashem's help we wake up.

Reminds me of

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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #162 on: April 20, 2017, 05:49:29 PM »
Reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koFlWXgX52E

I was going to comment that when posting such a one word sentence, it should probably end with an exclamation point (though I didn't learn English in high school, so I might be wrong). That type of sentence has definitely not been my style for many years (I think the last time I made such an exclamation I was pre-Bar Mitzvah, or thereabout).
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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #163 on: April 20, 2017, 05:52:58 PM »
Another question to be asked, from all those espousing secular education as a preparation for life/parnossa, is whether the "Al Taharas Hakodesh" Lubavitch curriculum is optimized towards preparing for Shlichus?

I would not be surprised, if educational experts were to be invited to chime in, and be given the ultimate purpose of Shlichus (of which only a percentage of actual work is directly related to what's studied in Yeshiva), they would design an entirely different curriculum. Public speaking, language skills, communication skills, counseling skills, etc. would take center stage of such a curriculum. Yet, our yeshivas do not focus on any of those.
So our yeshivas don't properly prepare kids for jobs or shlichus. Cool.

I disagree with this. Preparation for shlichus is limud haTorah. It's not just my opinion, it's something I've heard from many shluchim including Berel Lazar, who you might think would have benefited from some sort of communications or politics class.

To be sure, the Rebbe demanded shluchim use their talents and skills, and they should certainly hone those skills and improve them. But their job is to be mekabel pnei Moshiach tzidkeinu by being meifitz chassidus and getting yidden to do mitzvos. Their job is not to deliver speeches, give invocations, or write editorials. Sure, those are important tools, but they are only tools with which to impart all the knowledge they picked up in their years in yeshivah.

As in my above example, a shliach's success is not due to his public speaking, writing or counseling acumen. When I was 14 years old on mivtzoim and a man sought my counsel on his failing business, troubled familial relationships and more, he obviously wasn't seeking my advice, but he was benefiting from my compassion. Not that I'm an especially kind personality, just that I happened to be the Rebbe's shliach to that person in that moment. And I did help him out, otherwise why would he keep seeking my counsel every week? My age, skills and knowledge had nothing to do with it, any comfort I brought to that Jew was with the power vested in me by the Rebbe.

In many ways, shluchim are like audacious 14 year old know nothing kids. They are the Rebbe's men on the spot. Sure one might be able to deliver a pilpul, another a punchline, and yet another might be able to explain bilti baal gvul without illustrations. But the power they have to effect the world in the grand way they do comes from the Rebbe, and no amount of vocational training will change that.
   
By the way, there are some yeshivas that do offer such classes. In fact, a relative of mine told me of a public speaking class in which they had to deliver a speech based on the techniques and skills learned in the class. He gave a speech which had all the bochurim laughing and engaged, but "failed" (I don't believe the class counted for anything) and upset the instructor who complained he didn't use the specific formula he had taught.

Sure, each school could use improvement in any number of areas, just as that public speaking teacher probably wasn't the best guy for the job. But to say that a yeshivah that only teaches bochurim nigleh and chassidus without vocational instruction is not preparing them for shlichus is like saying a medical school that only teaches medicine without communication studies isn't preparing students to become doctors.
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Re: Shlichus Addiction?
« Reply #164 on: April 20, 2017, 06:04:55 PM »
I disagree with this. Preparation for shlichus is limud haTorah. It's not just my opinion, it's something I've heard from many shluchim including Berel Lazar, who you might think would have benefited from some sort of communications or politics class.

To be sure, the Rebbe demanded shluchim use their talents and skills, and they should certainly hone those skills and improve them. But their job is to be mekabel pnei Moshiach tzidkeinu by being meifitz chassidus and getting yidden to do mitzvos. Their job is not to deliver speeches, give invocations, or write editorials. Sure, those are important tools, but they are only tools with which to impart all the knowledge they picked up in their years in yeshivah.

As in my above example, a shliach's success is not due to his public speaking, writing or counseling acumen. When I was 14 years old on mivtzoim and a man sought my counsel on his failing business, troubled familial relationships and more, he obviously wasn't seeking my advice, but he was benefiting from my compassion. Not that I'm an especially kind personality, just that I happened to be the Rebbe's shliach to that person in that moment. And I did help him out, otherwise why would he keep seeking my counsel every week? My age, skills and knowledge had nothing to do with it, any comfort I brought to that Jew was with the power vested in me by the Rebbe.

In many ways, shluchim are like audacious 14 year old know nothing kids. They are the Rebbe's men on the spot. Sure one might be able to deliver a pilpul, another a punchline, and yet another might be able to explain bilti baal gvul without illustrations. But the power they have to effect the world in the grand way they do comes from the Rebbe, and no amount of vocational training will change that.
   
By the way, there are some yeshivas that do offer such classes. In fact, a relative of mine told me of a public speaking class in which they had to deliver a speech based on the techniques and skills learned in the class. He gave a speech which had all the bochurim laughing and engaged, but "failed" (I don't believe the class counted for anything) and upset the instructor who complained he didn't use the specific formula he had taught.

Sure, each school could use improvement in any number of areas, just as that public speaking teacher probably wasn't the best guy for the job. But to say that a yeshivah that only teaches bochurim nigleh and chassidus without vocational instruction is not preparing them for shlichus is like saying a medical school that only teaches medicine without communication studies isn't preparing students to become doctors.
Spot on!
and whaddaya know?
that same unadulterated לימוד תורה (preferably על טהרת הקודש) which prepares one so well for a life of shlichus, by imparting a knowledge and appreciation for hashem, his torah, and the awareness that אין עוד מלבדו, also happens to be a great prep for a life of a chassidisher balebos (perhaps even more so...), and for that matter, the best prep for a frum jewish life at all...

and isn't that the 'core' of what shlichus should be about anyway?