Author Topic: Shlichus Addiction? (Read 91537 times)

thaber · « **Reply #240 on:** April 23, 2017, 01:46:30 PM »

Quote from: ExGingi on April 23, 2017, 01:36:48 PM

Wow. You are a real speed reader. Within 10 minutes you managed to read online the entire thing (Prologue, 11 chapters and appendices) to figure out which paragraph is essential.

That being said, I do notice that the second paragraph of the letter is missing from the English translation. I don't know why it was omitted (though I could quite easily inquire with the translator (Rabbi Neubort) or editor (Rabbi Touger) as to the reason for the omission (knowing those two people, I would guess it is the latter's omission rather than the former). But let's not get carried away with that, rather than the actual story told in the letter.

I'm sorry, was looking on my phone. Hebrew books had to download page by page, and the translation seemed to be of the letter. I didn't realize I was reading a book.
However, I assumed your point was the omitted paragraph, as a response to CBC, otherwise please excuse my density and explain what we should be looking for in the link?

ExGingi · « **Reply #241 on:** April 23, 2017, 02:14:35 PM »

Quote from: thaber on April 23, 2017, 01:46:30 PM

I'm sorry, was looking on my phone. Hebrew books had to download page by page, and the translation seemed to be of the letter. I didn't realize I was reading a book.
However, I assumed your point was the omitted paragraph, as a response to CBC, otherwise please excuse my density and explain what we should be looking for in the link?

What immediately came to mind was last three paragraphs of http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2313040/jewish/Chapter-Three-Reb-Mordechais-Foolish-Fantasies.htm, but you really have to read through the entire thing to appreciate.

gozalim · « **Reply #242 on:** April 23, 2017, 03:56:47 PM »

on this topic:
@Dan did you get to spend any time with Rabbi EM over pesach?
I wonder what his take on this topic is...

Dan · « **Reply #243 on:** April 23, 2017, 04:01:56 PM »

Quote from: gozalim on April 23, 2017, 03:56:47 PM

on this topic:
@Dan did you get to spend any time with Rabbi EM over pesach?
I wonder what his take on this topic is...

He loved my yom tov speech and how much I brought Chabad and the Rebbe into it, said I should go on the Chabad speaking circuit, lol.
Didn't discuss this.

churnbabychurn · « **Reply #244 on:** April 23, 2017, 04:50:19 PM »

Quote from: Dan on April 23, 2017, 04:01:56 PM

He loved my yom tov speech and how much I brought Chabad and the Rebbe into it, said I should go on the Chabad speaking circuit, lol.
Didn't discuss this.

Any hope we can get the cliff notes on the yt speech?

lechatchileh ariber · « **Reply #245 on:** April 25, 2017, 12:46:35 AM »

Quote from: Yehuda57 on April 20, 2017, 03:54:35 PM

I'd appreciate an answer to my question

In theory it could be that a drawing can be used as a mashal for kav, the question is what's the point.

Are we understanding kav, or imagining what kav looks like.
One of the primary goals of the Alter Rebbe is להפשיט הדברים מגשמיותם, not just verses in Ezekiel but also phrases and words in kabala and chakira.

Most people when seeing a line, see a line, and not what it represents.
Such a bochur already has some kind of imagination about the kav based on the words in the maamar, be it a measuring stick, an author planning the plot of a book and it's fonts, a ray of light getting weaker or what have you. The point is to explain to him what the maamar means by the measuring stick, the decision of how to write your book etc.
Drawing a line will make his understanding of kav more megusham in the place of making it more mufshat.

Some people will not see the line, but what it represents.
Such a bochur was able to understand the point that was brought across by the meshalim in the maamar itself and doesn't need the line.

So while it might not be a crime, I don't see the point.
A mashpia has to realize that the bochur might not be seeing the line the way he does.

I had a few minutes so I wrote, I hope that I got my point across clearly.

henche · « **Reply #246 on:** April 25, 2017, 12:55:48 AM »

Quote from: lechatchileh ariber on April 25, 2017, 12:46:35 AM

In theory it could be that a drawing can be used as a mashal for kav, the question is what's the point.

Are we understanding kav, or imagining what kav looks like.
One of the primary goals of the Alter Rebbe is להפשיט הדברים מגשמיותם, not just verses in Ezekiel but also phrases and words in kabala and chakira.

Most people when seeing a line, see a line, and not what it represents.
Such a bochur already has some kind of imagination about the kav based on the words in the maamar, be it a measuring stick, an author planning the plot of a book and it's fonts, a ray of light getting weaker or what have you. The point is to explain to him what the maamar means by the measuring stick, the decision of how to write your book etc.
Drawing a line will make his understanding of kav more megusham in the place of making it more mufshat.

Some people will not see the line, but what it represents.
Such a bochur was able to understand the point that was brought across by the meshalim in the maamar itself and doesn't need the line.

So while it might not be a crime, I don't see the point.
A mashpia has to realize that the bochur might not be seeing the line the way he does.

I had a few minutes so I wrote, I hope that I got my point across clearly.

Draw us pic of kav