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Re: Habits and lifestyle changes that should stick beyond COVID-19
« Reply #140 on: May 18, 2020, 03:45:01 PM »
Why would they want to?
Here are a few -
Lower tuition.
More flexible schedule.
Some kids don't do well in a classroom setting.
More school options for those in a smaller or OOT community.


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Re: Habits and lifestyle changes that should stick beyond COVID-19
« Reply #141 on: May 18, 2020, 03:47:55 PM »
There is an online school run by the Shluchim Office. It's a very expensive and complicated undertaking. Trust me, you're not solving the tuition crisis in this way. There may be other benefits, but tuition isn't one of them.
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Re: Habits and lifestyle changes that should stick beyond COVID-19
« Reply #142 on: May 18, 2020, 04:04:24 PM »
Some kids don't do well in a classroom setting.
More school options for those in a smaller or OOT community.
These make sense to me
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Re: Habits and lifestyle changes that should stick beyond COVID-19
« Reply #143 on: May 18, 2020, 04:06:58 PM »
Here are a few -
Lower tuition.
More flexible schedule.
Some kids don't do well in a classroom setting.
More school options for those in a smaller or OOT community.
Why would tuition be lower?
Who wants a flexible schedule at those ages. Kids need structure.
While a minority of kids will find a classroom setting a hindrance. For the vast majority it is a lot more beneficial, with multiple senses immersed in learning, as well as other social benefits. There are many more that would find it hard to succeed with remote learning.
As @aygart pointed out, Shluchim already have an online school. It's making the best of the conditions, they would definitely prefer classroom setting.
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Re: Habits and lifestyle changes that should stick beyond COVID-19
« Reply #144 on: May 18, 2020, 04:11:15 PM »
Here are a few -
Lower tuition.

Some kids don't do well in a classroom setting.
Lower tuition is highly unlikely
This is not going to help the classroom setting to sit in a room in the house and listen to a class taught as if to a classroom.
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Re: Habits and lifestyle changes that should stick beyond COVID-19
« Reply #145 on: May 18, 2020, 04:23:36 PM »
Payroll is by far the largest expense.
Perhaps.
But minus the millions in building purchase, mortgage, utilities, cleaning, etc......the cost will be way lower.

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Re: Habits and lifestyle changes that should stick beyond COVID-19
« Reply #146 on: May 18, 2020, 04:24:03 PM »
Hopefully! Online 'school' can never replace the full Yeshiva experience but some hybrid of online school with local kids, weekly meetups, gym time in a local facility, mesibas in a local shul, etc, should definitely be an option!
My point exactly.

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Re: Habits and lifestyle changes that should stick beyond COVID-19
« Reply #147 on: May 18, 2020, 04:25:08 PM »
I'm very aware. Do you know what goes in to the tech side of an online school?
Maybe not as well as you do, but it would still lower the cost.
Not to mention transportation.

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Re: Habits and lifestyle changes that should stick beyond COVID-19
« Reply #148 on: May 18, 2020, 04:25:51 PM »
Perhaps.
But minus the millions in building purchase, mortgage, utilities, cleaning, etc......the cost will be way lower.

This is not based on any knowledge of the costs and practicalities of either a physical school or an online school or the programs mentioned.
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Re: Habits and lifestyle changes that should stick beyond COVID-19
« Reply #149 on: May 18, 2020, 04:26:24 PM »
Maybe not as well as you do, but it would still lower the cost.
Not to mention transportation.
On what basis do you say this?
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Re: Habits and lifestyle changes that should stick beyond COVID-19
« Reply #150 on: May 18, 2020, 04:27:33 PM »
No you didn't pre-empt anything with that. Even if they can, SERIOUSLY??!?!?!?
I am pretty sure that @S209 understood you "if they can" before as well.
I'm not sure why you are so amazed that other people can have a different preference than you.
I know of numerous people who are appreciated the schooling now better than before, for various reasons.
As I correctly preempted - "for those that can do it".

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Re: Habits and lifestyle changes that should stick beyond COVID-19
« Reply #151 on: May 18, 2020, 04:29:11 PM »
Perhaps.
But minus the millions in building purchase, mortgage, utilities, cleaning, etc......the cost will be way lower.

Fact: tuition isn't lower. Source: tuition bills of actual people (family) who had kids in online school for years. I understand the theory, but you're grossly underestimating the other costs of online school.

Maybe not as well as you do, but it would still lower the cost.
Not to mention transportation.

The other costs of computers, accessories, supplies, etc.... It's a wash. As for transportation, I know of at least 20 families who prefer to drive 2 hours each day over having their kids at home in online school.
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Re: Habits and lifestyle changes that should stick beyond COVID-19
« Reply #152 on: May 18, 2020, 04:31:41 PM »
This is not based on any knowledge of the costs and practicalities of either a physical school or an online school or the programs mentioned.
Do you want me to reveal my name and position? Will that satisfy you?
A rudimentary knowledge of the the millions needed to purchase and maintain a building etc. makes my point obvious.
Again, it doesn't have to be for you. But our community is large enough to have a percentage that prefers this.

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Re: Habits and lifestyle changes that should stick beyond COVID-19
« Reply #153 on: May 18, 2020, 04:32:24 PM »
Fact: tuition isn't lower. Source: tuition bills of actual people (family) who had kids in online school for years. I understand the theory, but you're grossly underestimating the other costs of online school.

The other costs of computers, accessories, supplies, etc.... It's a wash. As for transportation, I know of at least 20 families who prefer to drive 2 hours each day over having their kids at home in online school.
Fact: Online college is cheaper than on campus college.

It might not work for you, but there are others that it would work for.

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Re: Habits and lifestyle changes that should stick beyond COVID-19
« Reply #154 on: May 18, 2020, 04:33:09 PM »
As for transportation, I know of at least 20 families who prefer to drive 2 hours each day over having their kids at home in online school.

Our community is big enough, there is a % of people that this can work for. It won't replace traditional schools but it can be a good option for some if done right.

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Re: Habits and lifestyle changes that should stick beyond COVID-19
« Reply #155 on: May 18, 2020, 04:34:00 PM »
I'm not sure why you are so amazed that other people can have a different preference than you.
I know of numerous people who are appreciated the schooling now better than before, for various reasons.
As I correctly preempted - "for those that can do it".

My incredulity, and from knowing them I presume the incredulity of @ExGingi and @S209 , was not at all due to preference but rather because it would be a poor way to be mechanech your children.
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Re: Habits and lifestyle changes that should stick beyond COVID-19
« Reply #156 on: May 18, 2020, 04:36:20 PM »
Fact: Online college is cheaper than on campus college.

It might not work for you, but there are others that it would work for.

Online college is not at all comparable to a Jewish elementary school.
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Re: Habits and lifestyle changes that should stick beyond COVID-19
« Reply #157 on: May 18, 2020, 04:38:14 PM »
My incredulity, and from knowing them I presume the incredulity of @ExGingi and @S209 , was not at all due to preference but rather because it would be a poor way to be mechanech your children.
You are aware that the current paradigm is relatively new?
From Adam HaRishon until about hundred years ago, Chinuch wasn't done in a formal school setting.
And dare I say, they (gasp) didn't do that bad.

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Re: Habits and lifestyle changes that should stick beyond COVID-19
« Reply #158 on: May 18, 2020, 04:39:23 PM »
You are aware that the current paradigm is relatively new.
From Adam HaRishon until about hundred years ago, Chinuch wasn't done in a formal school setting.
And dare I say, they (gasp) didn't do that bad.

No comparison to remote where there is little to no personal connection.
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Re: Habits and lifestyle changes that should stick beyond COVID-19
« Reply #159 on: May 18, 2020, 04:39:29 PM »


I'm not saying there are no benefits, because ultimately it's a matter of preference. I'm just disputing the financial benefit, which I don't think is there.
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