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Re: A lesson from Italy ?! Rabbanim wake up!!
« Reply #60 on: March 17, 2020, 02:23:08 PM »
Spin it any way you want but from the beginning you have down played this crisis.

First time we agree..

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Re: A lesson from Italy ?! Rabbanim wake up!!
« Reply #61 on: March 17, 2020, 02:24:40 PM »
First time we agree..
We actually agree a lot more but you are doing fine without me jumping all over him.
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Re: A lesson from Italy ?! Rabbanim wake up!!
« Reply #62 on: March 17, 2020, 02:25:41 PM »
Actually the worse case scenario is probably the best case scenario.

I didn't make up numbers, I showed you NY times data .

I showed you historical patterns such as in Italy

So the frum world is better than Italians?

I'm showing you how we were warned how everybody ignored it and now I'm showing you how it's playing out how cases are being that you can always daily and the percentages are jumping hugely.

In crown heights 10 people were on respirators when the article hit..

Oooh we have 2000!! No worries, go to a wedding!
I didn't say most of what you are accusing me of saying throughout this thread, I'm just fighting the misinformation.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: A lesson from Italy ?! Rabbanim wake up!!
« Reply #63 on: March 17, 2020, 02:26:24 PM »
Yes, I stated the facts repeatedly.. it's been warned of for weeks.. the US healthcare system cannot handle this!!

You talk about facts like as if the numbers are accurate.

You completely ignore the nature of this virus, lack of symptom's for some time etc
your number of 3-4 days is what is questionable.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: A lesson from Italy ?! Rabbanim wake up!!
« Reply #64 on: March 17, 2020, 02:29:35 PM »
your number of 3-4 days is what is questionable.

My number is based on the fact that the transmissions mushroomed.

A lot got it from a wedding in ch.
Purim etc

My numbers are based on the nature of covid19 spread, that even if all were to shut now, the numbers will still spiral.

My numbers are based on life continuing as usual!


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Re: A lesson from Italy ?! Rabbanim wake up!!
« Reply #65 on: March 17, 2020, 02:30:33 PM »
Lets get the facts straight. Over 5k US cases now.

CV - If we don't do something drastic it will be to late.

You know who - 5k is nothing. We have more flu cases than that.
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Re: A lesson from Italy ?! Rabbanim wake up!!
« Reply #66 on: March 17, 2020, 02:33:30 PM »
My number is based on the fact that the transmissions mushroomed.

A lot got it from a wedding in ch.
Purim etc

My numbers are based on the nature of covid19 spread, that even if all were to shut now, the numbers will still spiral.

My numbers are based on life continuing as usual!
So at best this is a slightly educated guestimate.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: A lesson from Italy ?! Rabbanim wake up!!
« Reply #67 on: March 17, 2020, 02:36:43 PM »
So at best this is a slightly educated guestimate.

It's from talking to hundreds accross the country including world famous medical professionals..

Do I need to waste their time to get them to join DDF and argue with you ?

I'll pass.

when the doctor says that hopefully everything is going to be okay and will be able to handle it, this is when you take every precaution and not rub your germs in the whole world's face.

I'm crying out to you who are not taking precautions before it's too late

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Re: A lesson from Italy ?! Rabbanim wake up!!
« Reply #68 on: March 17, 2020, 02:59:56 PM »
So at best this is a slightly educated guestimate.
This is what doctors are yelling from the tops of their lungs. Put your mask on & come take a stroll through any urgent care facility in Brooklyn.

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Re: A lesson from Italy ?! Rabbanim wake up!!
« Reply #69 on: March 17, 2020, 03:07:11 PM »
This is what doctors are yelling from the tops of their lungs. Put your mask on & come take a stroll through any urgent care facility in Brooklyn.
  Source? I still haven't seen anyone (other than @chevron ) say we are 3 days away from running out of ventilators. You don't seem to understand, I'm not saying there is no shortage, all I'm saying is don't make up facts to try to scare people.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: A lesson from Italy ?! Rabbanim wake up!!
« Reply #70 on: March 17, 2020, 03:11:05 PM »
  Source? I still haven't seen anyone (other than @chevron ) say we are 3 days away from running out of ventilators. You don't seem to understand, I'm not saying there is no shortage, all I'm saying is don't make up facts to try to scare people.
You haven't seen anyone say there is a shortage of ventilators? You haven't seen the president say they are ordering a mass amount of ventilators? You haven't seen the president tell states if they can order their own to ahead and order them? 
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Re: A lesson from Italy ?! Rabbanim wake up!!
« Reply #71 on: March 17, 2020, 03:11:29 PM »
  Source? I still haven't seen anyone (other than @chevron ) say we are 3 days away from running out of ventilators. You don't seem to understand, I'm not saying there is no shortage, all I'm saying is don't make up facts to try to scare people.
Join a WA group. There are countless videos going around of DRís warning this. Or donít

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Re: A lesson from Italy ?! Rabbanim wake up!!
« Reply #73 on: March 17, 2020, 03:18:25 PM »
  Source? I still haven't seen anyone (other than @chevron ) say we are 3 days away from running out of ventilators. You don't seem to understand, I'm not saying there is no shortage, all I'm saying is don't make up facts to try to scare people.

2 weeks ago they warned of a ventilator shortage.

Why is the article by @jj1000  fil so damn hard to comprehend?!?

Just as there is no hand sanitizer because there's a enourmes demand, the healthcare system cannot handle this!

not to mention the fact that unfortunately that even with the best healthcare there are going to be many casualties because

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Re: A lesson from Italy ?! Rabbanim wake up!!
« Reply #74 on: March 17, 2020, 03:21:49 PM »
This is a message to all those on this forum who have been advocating against shutdowns and other drastic measures:

We are all learning on the fly. There is no need to save face. You don't have to admit you were wrong. Just stop defending your previous position even if only on technical grounds. We will not take you to task. Thank you.
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: A lesson from Italy ?! Rabbanim wake up!!
« Reply #75 on: March 17, 2020, 03:24:39 PM »
Lets get the facts straight. Over 5k US cases now.

CV - If we don't do something drastic it will be to late.

You know who - 5k is nothing. We have more flu cases than that.
Another message to those who are still politicizing this:

This is not two weeks ago or even last week. Let's give everyone the benefit of the doubt that they are actually trying to work together to get through this. Watch Gov Cuomo's address from earlier today of you need some inspiration. Thank you.
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: A lesson from Italy ?! Rabbanim wake up!!
« Reply #76 on: March 17, 2020, 03:30:37 PM »
We will not take you to task. Thank you.
Disclaimer. @good sam does not speak for all of us.  :)
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Re: A lesson from Italy ?! Rabbanim wake up!!
« Reply #77 on: March 17, 2020, 03:32:15 PM »
Disclaimer. @good sam does not speak for all of us.  :)
ABCs of negotiation and debate. You need to give the other guy an opening.
If you don't care why would you comment?
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Re: A lesson from Italy ?! Rabbanim wake up!!
« Reply #78 on: March 17, 2020, 03:32:38 PM »
This is not two weeks ago or even last week. Let's give everyone the benefit of the doubt that they are actually trying to work together to get through this.
Fair enough until I see the first post trying to down play what is happening.
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Re: A lesson from Italy ?! Rabbanim wake up!!
« Reply #79 on: March 17, 2020, 03:34:47 PM »
From a professional data scientist 3 days ago - "Analysis strongly suggests that the NYC metro area has 5Ė10 days to quarantine the city or face dramatically overwhelmed hospitals, extremely high death rates, and a ruined economy."

https://medium.com/@donnellymjd/covid-19-new-york-will-be-the-next-italy-but-doesnt-have-to-be-54a5c8137d42
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