How should schools and parents deal with tuition?

[moko]

correct, I believe tuition should be paid in full unless PPP covers and forgives, but why should I pay for transportation and after-school program

you shouldn't. Are there schools really charging for these items?

[aygart]

correct, I believe tuition should be paid in full unless PPP covers and forgives, but why should I pay for transportation and after-school program

Is transportation part of tuition? Here it is paid by the school district. You probably should only need to pay for the after school program based on the guidelines for a pshara regarding playgroups, but this will depend on the exact case and what the school is doing with the staff from that program. The guidlines given regarding specific programs that are no longer offered was that parent would often not be responsible.

[yesitsme]

you shouldn't. Are there schools really charging for these items?

yes I got 2 statement since the school building closed

Is transportation part of tuition? Here it is paid by the school district.

depending on the age/(distance),

[aygart]

yes I got 2 statement since the school building closeddepending on the age/(distance),

That definitely makes sense to discuss and depends on many factors.

[yesitsme]

Is transportation part of tuition? Here it is paid by the school district. You probably should only need to pay for the after school program based on the guidelines for a pshara regarding playgroups, but this will depend on the exact case and what the school is doing with the staff from that program. The guidelines given regarding specific programs that are no longer offered was that parent would often not be responsible.

I was told not by a ruv but from someone that knows someone that has a friend that knows a ruv, that babysitting/playgroups are very different then schools,
everyone agrees that a service based company that didn't provide any service at all cant collect money for service they didn't provide, the question is what happens with people that are employed by you for a 10 month contract and you cant put them to work (in this case due to covid) its a machlokes and there for they came up with a pshara,

however after school program or bus drivers are employed by the school not by the parents it makes it more difficult to charge for services they didn't provide (not talking about feelings here),

[yossig]

I was told not by a ruv but from someone that knows someone that has a friend that knows a ruv,

I mean, I love that line!!

[moko]

I mean, I love that line!!

I think that post sums up internet psakim

[yos9694]

Source?

My monthly tuition charges.

[S209]

My monthly tuition charges.

They told you you don’t have any tayna? Or they kept on charging as per your original agreement because you haven’t reached out to them?

[Yonah]

One more point here, we don't know how much tuition may be down without discussing it with the school. I suspect that you are underestimating it. Also, fundraising other than tuition is WAY down. Many schools make fundraising events during sfira when halls are cheaper and more available but are unable to do that this year. Many schools rely on income from simcha halls which are not operating (this of course is less affected because of sfira). My chioldren go to the Lakewood Cheder. They have 3 wedding halls between their buidings which brought in money and now are not.

+1 and let's not forget that some schools have day camps as well which are likely not to run this year ( or least not a full summer) that also help bring in $$

Is transportation part of tuition? Here it is paid by the school district.

Transportation is a mixed bag, and it depends not only on where you live, but where you kids go to school relative to that. I pay private transportation for two different schools. One was proactive and e-mail us right after pesach saying that once the school year was over, they would prorate our transportation back to the last day school was open. (This was before it was clear that school would be closed the whole year).

The other school has yet to reach out. I'm going to give them a few more days before asking for some money back (or applied to next year).

[yos9694]

They told you you don’t have any tayna? Or they kept on charging as per your original agreement because you haven’t reached out to them?

Yes

[JMHO]

correct, I believe tuition should be paid in full unless PPP covers and forgives,

Do you really believe Yeshivas will reach out to parents to refund tuition if PPP covers and forgives?

[S209]

Yes

Then that’s tough to defend

[Mordyk]

Take emotions out of this for a minute.

You pay for school services. No services, no money.

You want to say that you have a contract? I'm sure the contract obligates you to provide services as well. You want to say you can't physically provide services now? Well i can't monetarily pay right now. You can't just look at one part of the contract.

Why is this so complicated?

[aygart]

Take emotions out of this for a minute.

You pay for school services. No services, no money.

You want to say that you have a contract? I'm sure the contract obligates you to provide services as well. You want to say you can't physically provide services now? Well i can't monetarily pay right now. You can't just look at one part of the contract.

Why is this so complicated?

Because as orthodox Jews it is not true

[Mordyk]

Because as orthodox Jews it is not true

Why? Because we should care about the success of the school? Then they should care about us as well.  Sending an email stating that you are going ahead to charge full tuition  minus lunch fees doesn't show me how you are care.

[aygart]

Why? Because we should care about the success of the school? Then they should care about us as well.  Sending an email stating that you are going ahead to charge full tuition  minus lunch fees doesn't show me how you are care.

I've gone through this many times in this thread and every bais din or dayan that I heard from has said the same.

[Buruch]

Why can't they let the school close and open a new one when everything reopens? The obligation to have a school doesn't seem to apply when the school itself is not (or is barely) operating.
There's a chiyuv to make sure all the kids are educated. Keeping a shell of a school open doesn't fulfill that obligation anyways.
In fact, wouldn't there be an obligation to open a new online school if the current one isn't up to it?

[yitzgar]

Why can't they let the school close and open a new one when everything reopens? The obligation to have a school doesn't seem to apply when the school itself is not (or is barely) operating.
There's a chiyuv to make sure all the kids are educated. Keeping a shell of a school open doesn't fulfill that obligation anyways.

No big, just open hundreds of new schools....

[Buruch]

No big, just open hundreds of new schools....

Obviously that's not going to happen, but that should be the negotiating position against schools that are charging full price and providing meager services.