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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #165 on: April 24, 2020, 02:01:33 AM »
Rav Asher Weiss said that for morahs: 25% pay
For melamdim: 50% pay.
This is from the school?
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #166 on: April 24, 2020, 02:06:11 AM »
This is from the school?
Thatís what they deserve to receive according to choshen mishpat even without continuing to teach via teleconference/zoom.
By playgroups the practical application of this psak is straightforward but when it comes to schools he wasnít clear about who bears the brunt. But one might argue that thereís no difference-25%/girls school and 50%/boys school.


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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #167 on: April 24, 2020, 02:07:18 AM »
Thatís what they deserve to receive according to choshen mishpat even without continuing to teach via teleconference/zoom.
By playgroups the practical application of this psak is straightforward but when it comes to schools he wasnít clear about who bears the brunt. But one might argue that thereís no difference-25%/girls school and 50%/boys school.
So basically, moving forward we should be paying playgroups 25% for each month we donít send?
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #168 on: April 24, 2020, 02:10:20 AM »
So basically, moving forward we should be paying playgroups 25% for each month we donít send?
Correct. However, heís speaking to the Israelis regarding a ganenet so could be itís different than in the USA but donít see why

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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #169 on: April 24, 2020, 07:07:48 AM »
Rav Asher Weiss said that for morahs: 25% pay
For melamdim: 50% pay.

The wage gap lives on. If Halacha says they are owed x, how is gender relevant?

Thatís what they deserve to receive according to choshen mishpat even without continuing to teach via teleconference/zoom.

And if they continue to teach partial hours? Theyíre owed the 25/50% plus whatever hours they teach? Or 100% for the hours they teach and 25/50% for the rest?
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #170 on: April 24, 2020, 09:29:37 AM »
The wage gap lives on. If Halacha says they are owed x, how is gender relevant?

I would like to understand this as well

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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #171 on: April 24, 2020, 09:29:52 AM »
Can somebody please explain why playgroups are different than other businesses?
Before corona, I paid every week for a lady to watch my kid X hours.
I paid every week for a lady to come clean my house X hours.
Letís say I also paid an instructor weekly to come show me how to exercise, a barber or makeup lady, a music teacher, an art teacher.....

Iím not hearing anyone say to pay X% of the regular amount to people in these other professions.
(Yes, I know theyíre less common)

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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #172 on: April 24, 2020, 09:58:58 AM »
Can somebody please explain why playgroups are different than other businesses?
Before corona, I paid every week for a lady to watch my kid X hours.
I paid every week for a lady to come clean my house X hours.
Letís say I also paid an instructor weekly to come show me how to exercise, a barber or makeup lady, a music teacher, an art teacher.....

Iím not hearing anyone say to pay X% of the regular amount to people in these other professions.
(Yes, I know theyíre less common)
Did you sign up to use these other people for the whole year?  Because your playgroup teacher is doing what she does because x amount of people told her they will send their kids the whole year, now to back out on that commitment isn't right. OTOH if any of those professionals you also had a commitment for a whole year, maybe you should still pay %
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #173 on: April 24, 2020, 10:05:37 AM »
Can somebody please explain why playgroups are different than other businesses?
Before corona, I paid every week for a lady to watch my kid X hours.
I paid every week for a lady to come clean my house X hours.
Letís say I also paid an instructor weekly to come show me how to exercise, a barber or makeup lady, a music teacher, an art teacher.....

Iím not hearing anyone say to pay X% of the regular amount to people in these other professions.
(Yes, I know theyíre less common)

Annual contracts. You often have to pay to get out of them. It's not unreasonable.
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #174 on: April 24, 2020, 10:07:53 AM »
Annual contracts. You often have to pay to get out of them. It's not unreasonable.
My annual flat rate staffing contracts with big companies are being cancelled...
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing...
My wife has a playgroup which is low on zoom and most parents have been paying. Just that your comparison doesn't match up with reality. Staffing contracts are being cancelled left and right without paying penalties.
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #175 on: April 24, 2020, 10:09:37 AM »
My annual flat rate staffing contracts with big companies are being cancelled...

Are there provisions in the contract that allow them to do that without penalty?
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #176 on: April 24, 2020, 11:07:05 AM »
Are there provisions in the contract that allow them to do that without penalty?
Yes
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #177 on: April 24, 2020, 11:10:27 AM »
Yes

Most schools, AFAIK, don't have those provisions, neither in their tuition contracts, nor in their employment contracts.
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #178 on: April 24, 2020, 12:09:56 PM »
All I can say about this topic is that seeing and hearing my kids learning this week, just increased my appreciation to their schools and teachers, and my motivation to pay tuition.
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #179 on: April 24, 2020, 12:10:30 PM »
Did you sign up to use these other people for the whole year?  Because your playgroup teacher is doing what she does because x amount of people told her they will send their kids the whole year, now to back out on that commitment isn't right. OTOH if any of those professionals you also had a commitment for a whole year, maybe you should still pay %
I hear, but thereís nothing special about the time period of a year.
What might make more sense, is that thereís a group of people that got together and hired one person.
Or that you committed to ďa slotĒ.