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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #210 on: April 28, 2020, 06:15:14 PM »
Unfortunately I havenít heard it any better in other boys schools in 5 towns/far rock tho Iím sure ppl will come out and say they had other experiences.
IDK
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #211 on: April 28, 2020, 06:31:11 PM »
I emailed two main batei dinim in Lakewood last night. Will update if/when they reply

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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #212 on: April 28, 2020, 06:53:59 PM »
Unfortunately I havenít heard it any better in other boys schools in 5 towns/far rock tho Iím sure ppl will come out and say they had other experiences.
I feel bad for you that you feel this way.
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #215 on: April 28, 2020, 08:44:02 PM »
This is for post high school, no?
Yes.
That the only thread I found relevant to post.

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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #216 on: April 28, 2020, 09:23:13 PM »
My brother asked Rabbi Chaim M Roth from Lakewood a highly respected choshen mishpat Rav and he said the we should continue to pay.
Did he ask if he should pay or if he is obligated to pay? There is a big difference.

If you are happy with your school and you want them to stay solvent, if you feel that generally they have been fair with you, if you think they are doing what they can under the circumstances, or even if you hate them but fear some sort of retribution then you should pay even if you may halachically have grounds not to pay the full tuition obligation.

Although some of the school expenses are lower now fundraising revenue has most likely dried up to zero.

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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #217 on: April 29, 2020, 12:46:51 AM »
I am overall pretty shocked:
1) The schools overall took it for granted that tuition should continue to be paid in full
2) The relative lack of clear and public rabbinic guidance here
3) The lack of parents expressing their dissatisfaction 

1) The schools are hoping that parents will continue to pay by default, and they will deal individually with the parents who complain. They are counting on not having to deal with a ďclass actionĒ from the parents, which is why now more than ever the parent body must put up a united front.
2) Same as above, Rabbanim are hoping that they will only have to answer specific parents and not the whole community at once.
3) Parents are expressing dissatisfaction, but individually. Parents need to unify on this matter. They need to address the school as a unified group and demand certain concessions from the school. (Some parents will of course not want to be a part of it and believe that everyone should pay, but they are in the minority and thatís ok.). I suggested upthread that a possible fair arrangement is a credit toward next yearís tuition. A 20-30% is also fair under these circumstances.

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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #218 on: April 29, 2020, 12:55:51 AM »
(Some parents will of course not want to be a part of it and believe that everyone should pay, but they are in the minority and thatís ok.)

How do you know?

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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #219 on: April 29, 2020, 12:58:04 AM »
How do you know?
I donít. Itís an assumption. Logically people donít want to pay for products and services they are not receiving.

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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #220 on: April 29, 2020, 01:05:47 AM »
I donít. Itís an assumption. Logically people donít want to pay for products and services they are not receiving.
That is only if you look at the school as a fee for service and you child's chinuch as a product.
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #221 on: April 29, 2020, 01:16:20 AM »
That is only if you look at the school as a fee for service and you child's chinuch as a product.

School IS a service. Itís a service that is essential for both halachic and personal reasons, but itís still a service, just as much as a sofer writing your tefilin is a service.

When you negotiate tuition every year, they make it abundantly clear how much of a service they are.

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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #222 on: April 29, 2020, 01:24:03 AM »
Did he ask if he should pay or if he is obligated to pay? There is a big difference.

If you are happy with your school and you want them to stay solvent, if you feel that generally they have been fair with you, if you think they are doing what they can under the circumstances, or even if you hate them but fear some sort of retribution then you should pay even if you may halachically have grounds not to pay the full tuition obligation.

Although some of the school expenses are lower now fundraising revenue has most likely dried up to zero.
His question was ďaccording to halacha am I obligated to pay tuition?Ē
He replied ď As of now YesĒ

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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #223 on: April 29, 2020, 07:35:44 AM »
His question was ďaccording to halacha am I obligated to pay tuition?Ē
He replied ď As of now YesĒ

Thatís a qualified yes, I wonder what the qualifications are.
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #224 on: April 29, 2020, 09:09:40 AM »
That is only if you look at the school as a fee for service and you child's chinuch as a product.
Please explain alternate ways of viewing the schools role in your childís chinuch.