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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #240 on: April 29, 2020, 03:55:16 PM »
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #241 on: April 29, 2020, 03:55:59 PM »
Fair points, both that what they just published is a pashut svara and that I should have said my piece differently. My frustration here is with the approach only- that from day 1 there was no acknowledgement that anything should be different about tuition obligations from when school is running normally.

The thing is, making sure that all the teachers continue to get paid is very important to me personally and clearly also the right thing to be doing. But that doesn't mean that parents can continue to be billed for tuition though. Sadly, this generation does not possess a Nachshon ben Aminadav.

I agree that more communication may be beneficial, but I could see it also creating more issues than it solves.
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #242 on: April 29, 2020, 04:28:43 PM »
I agree that more communication may be beneficial, but I could see it also creating more issues than it solves.

They have already opted to leave it be and not say anything, hoping they won't rock the boat. Most secular schools and universities have done that as well, and there are lawsuits being filed every hour on the hour. Let's see how this plays out.


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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #243 on: April 29, 2020, 04:32:57 PM »
I have repeated this countless times in this thread.
I do not view the school as a chinuch store. It is the parent's obligation to ensure that there is a financially viable place for their child's chinuch. If that sometimes means paying while there are no services rendered then so be it. Fundraising to keep the school open is not the administrator's responsibility. He is only hired to administer it. It is the parent's responsibility. That is why parents have an obligation to participate in fundraising events. It is not a for-profit store where the customers have no obligation to the store owner. The school is your shliach.

This is your opinion, and that's OK.

There are different opinions on this though. The Lubavitcher Rebbe, for example, was of the opinion that while parents should do everything in their power to pay their child's tuition, the onus of fundraising and ensuring that no child is left behind falls ultimately on the administrator.

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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #244 on: April 29, 2020, 04:40:35 PM »
This is your opinion, and that's OK.

There are different opinions on this though. The Lubavitcher Rebbe, for example, was of the opinion that while parents should do everything in their power to pay their child's tuition, the onus of fundraising and ensuring that no child is left behind falls ultimately on the administrator.
That is not necessarily contradictory to my point, but might be to the exact wording I used. Either way, source?
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #245 on: April 29, 2020, 04:45:18 PM »
That is not necessarily contradictory to my point, but might be to the exact wording I used. Either way, source?

https://collive.com/whose-responsibility-is-tuition-2/

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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #246 on: April 29, 2020, 04:56:48 PM »
https://collive.com/whose-responsibility-is-tuition-2/

This letter not at all contradictory with what I have been saying. I am not even sure why you think it is to be able to address it.
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #247 on: April 29, 2020, 05:25:57 PM »
This is a huge generalization, and I have no clue if this true or not, what do you guys think:
1) In the "modern" world, schools have much higher accountability standards than in the more "yeshivish" world. Leadership positions are based more on merit than on yichus. The boards aren't afraid to fire a principal, dean, or administrator if they are incompetent or leading the school in the wrong direction.

2) Because of this, there is less friction between the parent body and the "modern" schools.

Any truth here?

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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #248 on: April 29, 2020, 05:27:52 PM »
This is a huge generalization, and I have no clue if this true or not, what do you guys think:
1) In the "modern" world, schools have much higher accountability standards than in the more "yeshivish" world. Leadership positions are based more on merit than on yichus. The boards aren't afraid to fire a principal, dean, or administrator if they are incompetent or leading the school in the wrong direction.

2) Because of this, there is less friction between the parent body and the "modern" schools.

Any truth here?

The ability to just blame everything on a board works wonders.
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #249 on: April 29, 2020, 05:29:01 PM »
Paying full tuition but asking for a charity receipt should be a reasonable approach...?

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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #250 on: April 29, 2020, 05:30:30 PM »
Paying full tuition but asking for a charity receipt should be a reasonable approach...?
I am not sure I would want to defend that in case of an audit CV
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #251 on: April 29, 2020, 05:59:38 PM »
Paying full tuition but asking for a charity receipt should be a reasonable approach...?

My kids fees are already being paid for out of an DDC FSA. It will be interesting to see what kind of receipt the school gives me, very difficult to imagine they they will claim to have watched the kid, cuz they didn't.

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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #252 on: April 29, 2020, 07:30:44 PM »
Paying full tuition but asking for a charity receipt should be a reasonable approach...?
I am not sure I would want to defend that in case of an audit CV
Receipt would only even be a possibility if "goods or services not provided". If there's a remote system in place, someone would need to calculate how much that's worth (compared to the regular amounts) and you may only be able to get for the remaining value.
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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #253 on: April 30, 2020, 12:14:45 AM »
My kids fees are already being paid for out of an DDC FSA. It will be interesting to see what kind of receipt the school gives me, very difficult to imagine they they will claim to have watched the kid, cuz they didn't.
For grades above kindergarten?

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Re: How should schools and parents deal with tuition?
« Reply #254 on: April 30, 2020, 12:45:06 AM »
Question for those who are complaining, why don't you just stop paying? Who's forcing you to keep paying?
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