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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #500 on: April 07, 2020, 02:01:52 PM »
Slow down. There’s a vaccine trial for a proposed COVID-19 vaccine that’s being tested. 1000 people get the vaccine as part of the trial. If out of those 1000 people 17 test positive for COVID-19, what exactly does that tell us about the immunity of the other 983, maybe they just happened to have not gotten infected?

Unless they’re testing the vaccine on front line medical professionals who are going to risk it and treat patients without PPE because they’re presumed to be immunized.

There were talks about exposing the people in the vaccine trial to the virus to test its effectiveness

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #501 on: April 07, 2020, 02:24:20 PM »
There were talks about exposing the people in the vaccine trial to the virus to test its effectiveness
Would you knowingly expose yourself to a dangerous virus to test a vaccine?

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #504 on: April 07, 2020, 09:13:09 PM »
12 new patients sick enough to be tested.
12 positive results came back today. When do you think they were tested?
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #505 on: April 07, 2020, 09:36:57 PM »
Would you knowingly expose yourself to a dangerous virus to test a vaccine?

I am not saying that I would. But the people who are in clinical trials are also putting themselves at a risk by accepting the vaccine to begin with. They have no idea what the adverse effects of that vaccine can be.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #506 on: April 08, 2020, 12:50:45 PM »
I am not saying that I would. But the people who are in clinical trials are also putting themselves at a risk by accepting the vaccine to begin with. They have no idea what the adverse effects of that vaccine can be.
prior vaccine candidates with SARS 1 caused a hyper immune response when actually infected- worsening the outcome and not protecting.
With SARS 1 gone, vaccine research stopped. But it is very possible that the first vaccines developed for covid will do the same.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #507 on: April 08, 2020, 12:57:19 PM »
12 new patients sick enough to be tested.
exactly.
which basically means about a week ago they were infected. No telling how many were infected since then.
it also means about 300-600 actual infections as most people infected don't get tested, mainly just those that are hospitalized are and most don't get hospitalized

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #508 on: April 11, 2020, 09:02:47 PM »
Where's the post about the Nobel prize winner saying he would be surprised if they're over 10 deaths in Israel.

It's at 100+


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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #509 on: April 11, 2020, 09:04:06 PM »
Where's the post about the Nobel prize winner saying he would be surprised if they're over 10 deaths in Israel.

It's at 100+
I guess he is surprised?
Maybe having dinner with the guy who said 15 will be 0?
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #510 on: April 12, 2020, 02:01:09 AM »
Heard from a BP Hatzalah member that over the 3 day Yom Tov they only had 5 calls that were Covid-19 related.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #511 on: April 12, 2020, 02:41:32 AM »
Israel has had a decline of 6+% of people on ventilators BH!!!

10,878 tested positive

174 severe cases  (-3.3% in past 24 hours)

123 on ventilators (-6.8% in past 24 hours)


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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #512 on: April 12, 2020, 02:43:10 AM »
Heard from a BP Hatzalah member that over the 3 day Yom Tov they only had 5 calls that were Covid-19 related.
Tyh
Heard from one in Lakewood that they only had ONE. Not sure if he meant transports or calls tho.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #513 on: April 12, 2020, 02:46:01 AM »
Where's the post about the Nobel prize winner saying he would be surprised if they're over 10 deaths in Israel.

It's at 100+

What about the ones that predicted 5000 in severe conditions with 2000+ dead (in Israel)? The nobel peace guy is a hell of a lot closer. This has destroyed dozens of families in the frum world. But the hysteric people were predicting thousands of dead in the frum community. This is the good news thread, lets keep it that way

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #514 on: April 12, 2020, 02:48:51 AM »
What about the ones that predicted 5000 in severe conditions with 2000+ dead (in Israel)? The nobel peace guy is a hell of a lot closer. This has destroyed dozens of families in the frum world. But the hysteric people were predicting thousands of dead in the frum community. This is the good news thread, lets keep it that way
That was without social distancing  ::)
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #515 on: April 12, 2020, 02:50:24 AM »
That was without social distancing  ::)

Israel had social distancing from the day after purim. These predictions were made after.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #516 on: April 12, 2020, 08:29:02 AM »
Israel had social distancing from the day after purim. These predictions were made after.
As long as those dire predictions kept people home and saved even one life, it was worth it.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #517 on: April 12, 2020, 09:22:23 AM »
Heard from one in Lakewood that they only had ONE. Not sure if he meant transports or calls tho.
Lakewood had one call on Shabbos. Not sure about the first two days of YT...

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #518 on: April 12, 2020, 09:29:31 AM »
As long as those dire predictions kept people home and saved even one life, it was worth it.

Yes and no. If we shut down indefinitely we’d have less car accidents, less flu deaths, etc. etc. life does have to go on and there is probably a threshold that has to be considered tolerable. I’m not sure how that decision is made and I’m sure whatever formula they’d use would have lots of people disagreeing and wanting stricter/more lenient guidelines.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #519 on: April 12, 2020, 10:17:51 AM »
As long as those dire predictions kept people home and saved even one life, it was worth it.

If we banned cars we would also be saving lives....is that worth it?