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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #601 on: April 21, 2020, 07:34:57 PM »
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #602 on: April 21, 2020, 07:48:45 PM »
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NEW YORK: US naval ship Comfort, sent by Trump to help NY handle a shortage of hospital beds, headed back to Virginia. It was hardly needed in NY.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #603 on: April 22, 2020, 12:47:05 AM »
Oh well there goes that idea

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/21/840341224/nih-panel-recommends-against-drug-combination-trump-has-promoted-for-covid-19

Anyone know where we can see the details of the studies they based the recommendations on?

From the beginning it was clear that those with heart conditions were more likely to have severe side affects from this treatment.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #604 on: April 22, 2020, 12:57:34 AM »
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #605 on: April 22, 2020, 01:28:50 AM »
What's the BH? It's didn't treat patients because lots of red tape

https://youtu.be/KcT0menNM8w

https://youtu.be/MykREVGjiHA

Are you saying hospitals are overflowing still? Because from the Gov down to local officials they all seem to be saying that is not true. So yes it is a BH

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #606 on: April 22, 2020, 01:29:31 AM »
Anyone know where we can see the details of the studies they based the recommendations on?

From the beginning it was clear that those with heart conditions were more likely to have severe side affects from this treatment.

The topline numbers from the VA study being reported are misleading at best because
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hydroxychloroquine, with or without azithromycin, was more likely
to be prescribed to patients with more severe disease
which explains why a higher percentage of them died
They do write that
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Nevertheless,
the increased risk of overall mortality in the hydroxychloroquine-only group persisted after
adjusting for the propensity of being treated with the drug
but that part went over my head.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #607 on: April 22, 2020, 01:40:58 AM »
This is a good article

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html

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There is a way we could identify more patients who have Covid pneumonia sooner and treat them more effectively — and it would not require waiting for a coronavirus test at a hospital or doctor’s office. It requires detecting silent hypoxia early through a common medical device that can be purchased without a prescription at most pharmacies: a pulse oximeter.

Pulse oximetry is no more complicated than using a thermometer. These small devices turn on with one button and are placed on a fingertip. In a few seconds, two numbers are displayed: oxygen saturation and pulse rate. Pulse oximeters are extremely reliable in detecting oxygenation problems and elevated heart rates.

Pulse oximeters helped save the lives of two emergency physicians I know, alerting them early on to the need for treatment. When they noticed their oxygen levels declining, both went to the hospital and recovered (though one waited longer and required more treatment). Detection of hypoxia, early treatment and close monitoring apparently also worked for Boris Johnson, the British prime minister.


This reminds me of an article I read about Germany keeping fatalities low. They monitor people diagnosed with covid19.

The main thing, as the article points out, for many people it's too late once they get to the hospital..

some of this has to do with conflicting messages that were sent out that basically they said to stay home unless things got bad.

The problem is once they got mad things were too late.

I have said from the beginning that the problem with this type of thing is that everything starts off so aggressively the doctors take time to figure it out and by then so many people have died.

It's one aspect people don't really understand about social distancing. Besides for overwhelming hospitals, many who get sick early are the test studies.


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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #608 on: April 22, 2020, 01:43:49 AM »
Anyone know where we can see the details of the studies they based the recommendations on?

From the beginning it was clear that those with heart conditions were more likely to have severe side affects from this treatment.

https://khn.org/news/mysterious-heart-damage-not-just-lung-troubles-befalling-covid-19-patients/

Also the original study for the drug. While it was done by one of the world's top experts in infectious diseases.

It was a very flawed study of like 20 people..


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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #609 on: April 22, 2020, 02:10:15 AM »

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #610 on: April 22, 2020, 02:25:48 AM »
I'm looking for the evidence they reference that  hydroxychloroquine causes heart problems.

You don't need it, you just need the fact that death's from covid19 are coming from heart failure .. and tie this in as something that could make it worse.


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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #611 on: April 22, 2020, 07:03:14 AM »
I'm looking for the evidence they reference that  hydroxychloroquine causes heart problems.

Watch this video

https://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2020/03/video-hydroxychloroquine-for-coronavirus-critical-information-that-you-wont-get-elsewhere-dr-rich-roberts.html#more-234968

(For anyone unfamiliar, he is a Lakewood local who has been a pharmaceutical researcher and executive)
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #612 on: April 22, 2020, 07:42:23 AM »
This is a good article

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html

Great article actually

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This reminds me of an article I read about Germany keeping fatalities low. They monitor people diagnosed with covid19.

Germany’s numbers were never low. They seemed low for a while because they tested a lot of people and found corona very early. The fatality rate was 0.5% a few weeks ago but now it’s 7x higher once cases started to complete.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #613 on: April 22, 2020, 07:47:55 AM »
Great article actually

Germany’s numbers were never low. They seemed low for a while because they tested a lot of people and found corona very early. The fatality rate was 0.5% a few weeks ago but now it’s 7x higher once cases started to complete.

What you’re essentially saying though is that early detection does not necessarily mean lower CFR.

Once again, ironic to be discussing this in the “Good news” thread.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #614 on: April 22, 2020, 08:18:02 AM »
What you’re essentially saying though is that early detection does not necessarily mean lower CFR.

Yup, early detection is not a cure and is meaningless without an effective follow up plan that includes thorough tracking/isolation of cases + social distancing measures. That is the only formula that has been proven to work without shutting everything down or suffering too many fatalities.

The good news is we can stop a second wave by copying what worked during the first wave.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #615 on: April 22, 2020, 08:25:18 AM »
The good news is we can stop a second wave by copying what worked during the first wave.

Three things here:

1. Copying what we did right
2. Copying what others did right where we erred
3. Trying to infer from the above and from updated scientific knowledge about what we know about the virus, contagion etc, what measures/tweaks we can introduce this time to improve on 1 and 2 above.

Considering the performance of our leadership/policymakers and their divergent priorities, that’s a big ask.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #616 on: April 22, 2020, 11:27:56 AM »
The topline numbers from the VA study being reported are misleading at best because  which explains why a higher percentage of them died
They do write that  but that part went over my head.
Zelenko was claiming this from the beginning that all study’s are being done on critical patient while he was prescribing it early on before complications started

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #617 on: April 22, 2020, 11:41:52 AM »
And let's not forget that zelenko has always said it has to be given together with zink. This study left out the zink
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #618 on: April 22, 2020, 01:06:41 PM »
And let's not forget that zelenko has always said it has to be given together with zink. This study left out the zink
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
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