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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #760 on: May 05, 2020, 03:45:06 PM »
That certain people and personalities revealed their stripes.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #761 on: May 06, 2020, 08:22:18 PM »
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I wrote about the issue of coronavirus “strains”. Despite the recent overblown stories, there’s no strong evidence that more dangerous strains have evolved—or even that there’s more than one strain. Here's a guide to making sense of it all.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/coronavirus-strains-transmissible/611239/

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #762 on: May 07, 2020, 01:36:09 AM »
That certain people and personalities revealed their stripes.

Because of corona, I found out that my cousin has been volunteering to bury people for many years, a good friend of mine volunteers for taharos, and so do 2 other people I know well. Nice to find out that I underestimated the greatness of the everyday people in my life.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #763 on: May 08, 2020, 08:45:30 AM »
 After Recovery From the Coronavirus, Most People Carry Antibodies
A new study adds to evidence of immunity among those who have already been exposed to the pathogen.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/health/coronavirus-antibody-prevalence.html

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #764 on: May 08, 2020, 09:19:53 AM »
After Recovery From the Coronavirus, Most People Carry Antibodies
A new study adds to evidence of immunity among those who have already been exposed to the pathogen.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/health/coronavirus-antibody-prevalence.html

Interesting. So those who tested negative for antibodies after being positive for covid were almost all tested too early.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #765 on: May 08, 2020, 09:48:30 AM »
Interesting. So those who tested negative for antibodies after being positive for covid were almost all tested too early.

It seems that way a relative of mine was so disappointed not to have antibodies during the Bikur Cholim drive. He tested a week later by Quest and came back positive.
Quest however does not attach a number you just get a positive or a negative. I do not know if there is a certain amount of antibodies that you need.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #766 on: May 08, 2020, 09:49:06 AM »
For what this is worth..... We have trust in the one above....

https://www.health.gov.au/news/getting-our-kids-back-to-school-a-matter-of-trust

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #767 on: May 08, 2020, 09:56:44 AM »
Interesting. So those who tested negative for antibodies after being positive for covid were almost all tested too early.
Fascinating article. Very positive. The most concerning part for me was how over 60% of the people who were sure they had it based on their symptoms and exposure did not have antibodies..
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #768 on: May 08, 2020, 09:59:33 AM »
Fascinating article. Very positive. The most concerning part for me was how over 60% of the people who were sure they had it based on their symptoms and exposure did not have antibodies..
1) Many people went even without being sure they had it.
2) How many of them if tested a month later would be positive for antibodies?
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #769 on: May 08, 2020, 10:05:22 AM »
1) Many people went even without being sure they had it.
2) How many of them if tested a month later would be positive for antibodies?
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Because tests to diagnose coronavirus infection were unavailable to most people in New York City in March, the researchers included another 719 people in their study who suspected they had Covid-19 based on symptoms and exposure to the virus, but in whom the illness had not been diagnosed.
Sounds like they were people who suspected they had it because of symptoms and exposure back in March, the same time frame and conditions as the other group. The only differential was whether they were ever confirmed positive before.

Which brings us back to the point that many the people who say theyíve had it may not necessarily have had it.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #770 on: May 08, 2020, 10:22:52 AM »
I'm curious about this part:
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Because tests to diagnose coronavirus infection were unavailable to most people in New York City in March, the researchers included another 719 people in their study who suspected they had Covid-19 based on symptoms and exposure to the virus, but in whom the illness had not been diagnosed.

In this group, the researchers found a different picture altogether. The majority of these people ó 62 percent ó did not seem to have antibodies.
For example, I tested negative for antibodies, while my wife, who had a positive diagnostic test previously, tested positive for antibodies. We took no distancing precautions from each other (simply not practical given our circumstances) of any kind during the time that she presumably had the virus. Ain lecha exposure gadol mizeh. Why would I not have contracted it? And if I truly didn't contract it, what would be different down the line to cause me to contract it from an outside source. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this boat, whether people realize it or not.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #771 on: May 08, 2020, 10:25:04 AM »
I'm curious about this part:For example, I tested negative for antibodies, while my wife, who had a positive diagnostic test previously, tested positive for antibodies. We took no distancing precautions from each other (simply not practical given our circumstances) of any kind during the time that she presumably had the virus. Ain lecha exposure gadol mizeh. Why would I not have contracted it? And if I truly didn't contract it, what would be different down the line to cause me to contract it from an outside source. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this boat, whether people realize it or not.
a. she wasnt that contagious b. false negitive.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #772 on: May 08, 2020, 10:26:29 AM »
Wonder if you would test positive a week later
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #773 on: May 08, 2020, 10:27:45 AM »
I'm curious about this part:For example, I tested negative for antibodies, while my wife, who had a positive diagnostic test previously, tested positive for antibodies. We took no distancing precautions from each other (simply not practical given our circumstances) of any kind during the time that she presumably had the virus. Ain lecha exposure gadol mizeh. Why would I not have contracted it? And if I truly didn't contract it, what would be different down the line to cause me to contract it from an outside source. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this boat, whether people realize it or not.
I know of others in a similar situation. Did you have any symptoms? Iíve seen a few possible answers, but it is a mystery right now
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #774 on: May 08, 2020, 10:30:55 AM »
I'm curious about this part:For example, I tested negative for antibodies, while my wife, who had a positive diagnostic test previously, tested positive for antibodies. We took no distancing precautions from each other (simply not practical given our circumstances) of any kind during the time that she presumably had the virus. Ain lecha exposure gadol mizeh. Why would I not have contracted it? And if I truly didn't contract it, what would be different down the line to cause me to contract it from an outside source. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this boat, whether people realize it or not.
my mother had the same thing my father tested positive for the virus and for antibodies and she tested negative for antibodies

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #775 on: May 08, 2020, 10:32:30 AM »
I'm curious about this part:For example, I tested negative for antibodies, while my wife, who had a positive diagnostic test previously, tested positive for antibodies. We took no distancing precautions from each other (simply not practical given our circumstances) of any kind during the time that she presumably had the virus. Ain lecha exposure gadol mizeh. Why would I not have contracted it? And if I truly didn't contract it, what would be different down the line to cause me to contract it from an outside source. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this boat, whether people realize it or not.
Some possible answers Iíve seen (donít know enough about the science to confirm validity):
A) You caught it once she was contagious, so you tested yourself too early because youíre really 2 weeks behind her
B) She had a low viral load, not enough to really infect others so you didnít catch it from her
C) Not everybody gets it from everyone, as long as she didnít sneeze or cough close to your mouth/nose itís possible for you not to have gotten it but still get it from any random person who sneezes
D) You have some type of natural immunity so your body didnít need to produce antibodies and you didnít show symptoms
E) You got it, but in a really small dose, so it didnít show on a test and you didnít produce antibodies
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #776 on: May 08, 2020, 10:36:27 AM »
I know of others in a similar situation. Did you have any symptoms? Iíve seen a few possible answers, but it is a mystery right now
I think this really underscores the point once more that as much as we know, thereís more we donít know, and taking foolish risks because you think youíve had it can be just as costly as mistakes in the early stages were.

I know way too many people whoíve abandoned all restrictions because ďI already had itĒ  or worse, becaus ďI was exposed to someone who had itĒ when they never tested positive for the test or antibodies, and never exhibited more than mild symptoms (which could easily have been anything else). That includes a 70 year old couple Iím close to, though sheís waiting on the results of an antibody test at least before she completely rejoins society
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #777 on: May 08, 2020, 11:01:53 AM »
In terms of our symptoms/timeline: My wife had symptoms (primarily feeling lightheaded and short bouts of minor shortness of of breath - no fever) starting with the shabbos after Purim, culminating with her deciding to get tested on 3/20. I had some very minor cold like symptoms that week, but then had fever for a few days after that, which was enough to make me retreat to bed for a day or two. So whatever happened to both of us was basically contained to March, with both of us feeling completely symptom free by April. We did our antibody tests on 5/4, so we're talking about more than a month symptom free.

A) You caught it once she was contagious, so you tested yourself too early because youíre really 2 weeks behind her
Similar to @etech0 comment. Given our timeline, I don't see how this could be the explanation.
B) She had a low viral load, not enough to really infect others so you didnít catch it from her
Similar to @yeshivabucher comment. It's an interesting idea, and I've heard the level of viral load being discussed in terms of people getting infected, but nothing about it in regards to the contagiousness of the already infected individual. I'd be curious to see more discussion of this with all the research going on.
C) Not everybody gets it from everyone, as long as she didnít sneeze or cough close to your mouth/nose itís possible for you not to have gotten it but still get it from any random person who sneezes
Always a possibility, but like I said before, I know for myself that it was ain lecha exposure gadol mizeh.
D) You have some type of natural immunity so your body didnít need to produce antibodies and you didnít show symptoms
I haven't seen any discussion of such a concept. How would it even work? What natural properties/characteristics could possible provide immunity?
E) You got it, but in a really small dose, so it didnít show on a test and you didnít produce antibodies
This could be as well, but practically speaking, I assume it would put me in the same boat as not having had it at all.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #778 on: May 08, 2020, 11:18:30 AM »
So far, the only tests for antibodies that are reliable are those done in conjunction with the Mayo Clinic or Mt Sinai Hospital.  the tests done for plasma testing is sent to Mayo.
The FDA just approved a new test.  I think from Abbott labs.   I assume it'll hit the local labs pretty quickly.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #779 on: May 08, 2020, 11:21:57 AM »
So far, the only tests for antibodies that are reliable are those done in conjunction with the Mayo Clinic or Mt Sinai Hospital.  the tests done for plasma testing is sent to Mayo.
The FDA just approved a new test.  I think from Abbott labs.   I assume it'll hit the local labs pretty quickly.
Not to presume that you were addressing me, but in case you're wondering, we did ours at Mt Sinai.