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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #920 on: May 20, 2020, 11:04:39 PM »
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The Evidence on Kids and Covid
Rare serious cases bear watching, but overall risk appears to be low.
By  The Editorial Board
May 20, 2020 7:24 pm ET
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Health professionals transported a baby with an oxygen cylinder attached to a stretcher in New York, April 8.
PHOTO: VANESSA CARVALHO/ZUMA PRESS
Horrific stories are emerging of children developing rashes, cardiac abnormalities and other inflammatory symptoms that are linked to the novel coronavirus. Parents and public health officials are understandably worried, but some perspective is in order given the virus’s apparent overall low risk to children.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported last week that 15 children under age 15 in the U.S. have died of Covid-19 since February compared to about 200 who died of the flu and pneumonia. Children represent 0.02% of virus fatalities in the U.S., and very few have been hospitalized.

A study in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) Pediatrics last week found that only 48 children between March 14 and April 3 were admitted to 14 pediatric intensive care units in the U.S., and 83% had an underlying condition. The most common was “a long-term dependence on technological support (including tracheostomy) associated with developmental delay and/or genetic anomalies,” the authors note. The fatality rate for children in ICUs was 5% compared to 50% to 62% for adults.


Another new JAMA study examines children treated for cancer at New York’s Memorial Sloan Kettering. Twenty of 178 pediatric patients tested positive for coronavirus—an infection rate of 11.2%—but only one required noncritical hospital care. Thirteen of their 74 adult caregivers also tested positive—an infection rate of 17.6%. “Together, our results do not support the conjecture that children are a reservoir of unrecognized SARS-CoV-2 infection,” the authors conclude.

Children also appear at lower risk of infection based on population antibody studies, including a recent one from Spain that found a sharp age gradient. Just 1.1% of infants under age one carried antibodies; 2.2% of those between one and four; 3% between five and nine; 3.9% between 10 and 19; and 4.4% between 20 and 39. Antibodies were most prevalent (about 6%) in Spaniards 60 and older.

Scientists are puzzling over these age disparities. One theory is that children have stronger “innate” immune response that allows them to quickly clear the virus without developing antibodies. Another is that the virus may not bind as easily to the ACE2 receptors in children’s nasal passages that are the cellular entry-way for invading the body.

It’s also possible that children have cross-protection from earlier coronavirus-causing common colds. Two new studies find that antibodies and white blood cells that individuals developed to fight recent cold infections also react against the novel coronavirus. La Jolla Institute for Immunology researchers discovered that about half of stored blood samples from 2015 to 2018 carried helper T-cells that react against the novel coronavirus.


Yet unlike with other respiratory viruses, children don’t appear to be large spreaders. Australia’s National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance tracked Covid-19 cases at 15 schools from March 1 to April 16. At the outset, 18 individuals were infected. After six weeks only two of their 863 close contacts at the schools had become infected. There were no cases of students passing the virus to teachers. Studies from China show kids were more likely to pick up the virus from their parents than vice versa. While Taiwan has lower case and fatality rates than Western countries, it did not impose widespread school closures.

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Parents and public-health officials are now nervous about reopening schools because some children in virus hot spots are developing fevers, rashes and inflammatory symptoms that resemble Kawasaki Disease, which was discovered in Japan a half century ago and whose cause is unknown though it has been found to follow infections.

The syndrome afflicts 20.8 of 100,000 children in the U.S. under age five (about 4,800) each year. A study in the journal Lancet last week reported 10 children with the inflammatory syndrome in Bergamo, Italy—the city with the highest rate of fatalities and infections—about 30 times higher than the normal incidence. Most were older and suffered more severe cardiac symptoms than those typically found with Kawasaki. But the authors also estimated that probably no more than 0.1% of children who had been exposed to the virus were affected. All hospitalized patients had been discharged, and the authors recommend treating patients with steroids to calm their immune system.


During these times parents and doctors need to be especially vigilant. But as a society we also need to keep in mind that the risks to children from the coronavirus are small, especially relative to others. The Foundation for Research on Equal Opportunity projects that children under 15 are 6.83 to 20.07 times more likely to die of the flu or pneumonia than coronavirus—assuming 150,000 Covid-19 fatalities in the U.S. this year—and 128 times more likely to die of an accident.

All of this bears more study, and nobody wants to endanger children. But the risks to children are not enough to justify the continuing destruction of lockdowns.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #921 on: May 21, 2020, 02:30:58 AM »

What makes you think that people in the developing world are less impacted?

Numbers?

Do you truly believe that the virus discriminates against wealthy people? Or perhaps, developed countries are simply better at diagnosing those numbers.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #922 on: May 21, 2020, 02:36:47 AM »
You say India began using it on March 23. Zelenko wrote his letter to Trump on March 23, with claims that he had been using it successfully.

Zelenko started his treatments after reading about the French “study” that supposedly proved the amazing benefits of HCL in serious patients. That study has been completely overturned, but the goal posts have shifted since then. Now it’s admittedly no good for serious cases, but it became a miracle cure for undiagnosed people that may have mild cases of corona.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #923 on: May 21, 2020, 03:06:45 AM »
Zelenko started his treatments after reading about the French “study” that supposedly proved the amazing benefits of HCL in serious patients. That study has been completely overturned, but the goal posts have shifted since then. Now it’s admittedly no good for serious cases, but it became a miracle cure for undiagnosed people that may have mild cases of corona.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #924 on: May 21, 2020, 07:23:26 AM »
Zelenko started his treatments after reading about the French “study” that supposedly proved the amazing benefits of HCL in serious patients. That study has been completely overturned, but the goal posts have shifted since then. Now it’s admittedly no good for serious cases, but it became a miracle cure for undiagnosed people that may have mild cases of corona.

The guy didn't invent this, but he was way ahead in terms of using it at the onset of symptoms versus treating the people who were very ill. I'm not sure it was the right move, but TG in retrospect it worked out for him.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #925 on: May 21, 2020, 07:23:59 AM »
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There isn't a significant medical persona anywhere in the world that recommends using it.

Except for India, which you pointed out earlier.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #926 on: May 21, 2020, 08:19:12 AM »
Do you truly believe that the virus discriminates against wealthy people? Or perhaps, developed countries are simply better at diagnosing those numbers.
Or the travel between them and their styles of living and working or many other variables
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #927 on: May 21, 2020, 09:03:14 AM »
The Evidence on Kids and Covid
Rare serious cases bear watching, but overall risk appears to be low.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #928 on: May 21, 2020, 09:08:06 AM »
Can you post the article? Paywall
Thanks @cmey for posting it.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #929 on: May 21, 2020, 09:58:33 AM »
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There isn't a significant medical persona anywhere in the world that recommends using it.

I'm not so sure about this. I heard from a random hospital in upstate NY with no connection to frum people that is using it.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #934 on: May 21, 2020, 04:46:43 PM »
Some really good news.

https://nypost.com/2020/05/21/scientists-believe-cannabis-could-help-prevent-treat-coronavirus/
“We were totally stunned at first, and then we were really happy,” one of the researchers, Olga Kovalchuk, told CTV News.

I couldn't resist. :)

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #935 on: May 21, 2020, 05:50:33 PM »
“We were totally stunned at first, and then we were really happy,” one of the researchers, Olga Kovalchuk, told CTV News.

I couldn't resist. :)
Maybe Trump will start taking some.

I think the side effects portion he has already. Lol
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #936 on: May 21, 2020, 05:51:50 PM »
Maybe Trump will start taking some.

I think the side effects portion he has already. Lol

This country would benefit greatly if Trump started smoking pot.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #937 on: May 21, 2020, 05:54:45 PM »
This country would benefit greatly if Trump started smoking pot.
He might look like Elon Musk, is that a good thing?
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #938 on: May 21, 2020, 05:56:39 PM »
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #939 on: May 21, 2020, 05:59:06 PM »
He might look like Elon Musk, is that a good thing?

If Elon Musk is tested, marijuana will not be the #1 drug on his tox screen.
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