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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #946 on: May 22, 2020, 12:22:14 AM »
Or the travel between them and their styles of living and working or many other variables

The Spanish flu traveled the world pretty quickly, I donít think corona has a problem with travel 100 years later. If anything the places with slums should have major outbreaks once you have just a few people infected. Look at test numbers if you want to look at numbers.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #947 on: May 22, 2020, 02:27:46 AM »
Why is this good news??
The fact that over 1700 people died in OH from Covid isn't good news, but that number was known before the article. IF "at least 1,247 patients of nursing homes and other long-term care facilities have died with coronavirus" that leaves "at most" 500 Covid deaths in OH - which has over 11 million people. They should do some heavy research in Florida (or just do the opposite of whatever NY was doing) put some focus into stopping the spread in nursing homes.
The original reason I thought this belonged in the good news thread is that we are acting (and will continue to take precautions) as we are living in a Magaifa. If the death rate outside of nursing homes is .005% including assumed Covid deaths then to me it fits in the good news section.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #948 on: May 22, 2020, 08:15:12 AM »
Why is this good news??
That the vast majority of deaths are from one setting which is mostly controllable?
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #949 on: May 22, 2020, 10:52:36 AM »
The fact that over 1700 people died in OH from Covid isn't good news, but that number was known before the article. IF "at least 1,247 patients of nursing homes and other long-term care facilities have died with coronavirus" that leaves "at most" 500 Covid deaths in OH - which has over 11 million people. They should do some heavy research in Florida (or just do the opposite of whatever NY was doing) put some focus into stopping the spread in nursing homes.
The original reason I thought this belonged in the good news thread is that we are acting (and will continue to take precautions) as we are living in a Magaifa. If the death rate outside of nursing homes is .005% including assumed Covid deaths then to me it fits in the good news section.
Agreed - Also add the numbers in OH from prisons and b"h we are left with very little.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #951 on: May 23, 2020, 10:43:53 PM »
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/study-suggests-majority-population-may-already-have-some-degree

This quotes the study @Afrages6 posted here. I have a few questions about that study.


First, if up to 60% of people are immune, and up to 20% of people got it in NY, does that mean half of the possible infections happened within 2 months? What does that say about how contagious this thing actually is versus how contagious we thought it was?


Second, the cell they say they found in up to 60% of people without Covid was found in 100% of Covid patients. How do they know these people didn't already have the cell pre-Covid and still got sick? Without before and after testing, what does the cell's presence prove, if up to 60% of all people have it regardless of Covid infection?
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #952 on: May 23, 2020, 11:00:25 PM »
This quotes the study @Afrages6 posted here. I have a few questions about that study.


First, if up to 60% of people are immune, and up to 20% of people got it in NY, does that mean half of the possible infections happened within 2 months? What does that say about how contagious this thing actually is versus how contagious we thought it was?


Second, the cell they say they found in up to 60% of people without Covid was found in 100% of Covid patients. How do they know these people didn't already have the cell pre-Covid and still got sick? Without before and after testing, what does the cell's presence prove, if up to 60% of all people have it regardless of Covid infection?

I believe that the unexposed blood cells were from pre COVID days. Saw somewhere that blood cells from 2015 were immune because of the T cells.

It does make sense theoretically that it spread the way it did in NYC and 75-80 percent of NYC was exposed to the virus. It was percolating for at least a month before everyone caught on and youíre talking about the most dense area in the world. Subways, restaurants, offices.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #954 on: May 24, 2020, 03:36:51 PM »
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32405162/?fbclid=IwAR3lpo_jjq7MRsoIXgzmjjGREL7lzW22XeRRk0NO_Y7rvVl150e4CbMo0cg

"We report here a case of the asymptomatic patient and present clinical characteristics of 455 contacts, which aims to study the infectivity of asymptomatic carriers."


"Conclusion: In summary, all the 455 contacts were excluded from SARS-CoV-2 infection and we conclude that the infectivity of some asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers might be weak."
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #955 on: May 24, 2020, 04:03:00 PM »
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32405162/?fbclid=IwAR3lpo_jjq7MRsoIXgzmjjGREL7lzW22XeRRk0NO_Y7rvVl150e4CbMo0cg

"We report here a case of the asymptomatic patient and present clinical characteristics of 455 contacts, which aims to study the infectivity of asymptomatic carriers."


"Conclusion: In summary, all the 455 contacts were excluded from SARS-CoV-2 infection and we conclude that the infectivity of some asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers might be weak."
This is great news and consistent with the super spreader concept that Dan mentioned
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #956 on: May 24, 2020, 04:54:54 PM »
This quotes the study @Afrages6 posted here. I have a few questions about that study.


First, if up to 60% of people are immune, and up to 20% of people got it in NY, does that mean half of the possible infections happened within 2 months? What does that say about how contagious this thing actually is versus how contagious we thought it was?


Second, the cell they say they found in up to 60% of people without Covid was found in 100% of Covid patients. How do they know these people didn't already have the cell pre-Covid and still got sick? Without before and after testing, what does the cell's presence prove, if up to 60% of all people have it regardless of Covid infection?
I think the key here is "some degree of immunity" meaning they could still catch the virus but be better equipped to fight it. That may go a long way in explaining why some people get only mild symptoms and some get very severe symtomps

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #958 on: May 24, 2020, 06:37:30 PM »
I think the key here is "some degree of immunity" meaning they could still catch the virus but be better equipped to fight it. That may go a long way in explaining why some people get only mild symptoms and some get very severe symtomps

Unless they had an underlying comorbidity they didn't know about. Or a myriad of other variables.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #959 on: May 25, 2020, 03:41:44 AM »
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/280793
.26% death rate

If that's the case, then 28K deaths in NY means nearly 11 million infections!?!? which should mean 50% antibody rates. But that's not what the numbers say?
And 100K deaths in the US means 38 million infections?

And Sweden's 4K deaths should mean 1.5 million infections, so why is there antibody levels in Stockholm only 7%

Something doesn't add up
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