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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1020 on: June 02, 2020, 08:54:07 AM »
Bernie Maidoff stole more than all the looters combined. It's not even a blip on the charts for the US economy of $20,000,000,000,000/year.

Collective wisdom of the market is assuming government is strong enough to quash this when it will want to, as it's done many times in the past.

ETA: Also, oil is up

Obviously a few smashed store fronts wont change anything. But nightly curfews, Corona still keeping businesses shut. How are we back to January valuations?!?

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1021 on: June 02, 2020, 08:59:38 AM »
Apparently the market thinks nightly curfews will pass.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1023 on: June 03, 2020, 04:38:45 PM »
Zelenko started his treatments after reading about the French “study” that supposedly proved the amazing benefits of HCL in serious patients. That study has been completely overturned, but the goal posts have shifted since then. Now it’s admittedly no good for serious cases, but it became a miracle cure for undiagnosed people that may have mild cases of corona.
There should be a thread thread about HCQ but the long awaited proof that HCQ is useless to prevent C19 even when taken before exposure has arrived, in the shape of an 800 patient RCT

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/health/hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus-trump.html

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1024 on: June 03, 2020, 05:33:10 PM »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-fast-coronavirus-vaccine-without-cutting-corners-11590954444?mod=opinion_lead_pos8

Can America reopen without a major resurgence of Covid-19? We’ve learned a great deal about controlling the virus. In the summer people will spend time outdoors, which can reduce the risk. Yet a second wave could come in the fall as schools open and businesses try to return to normal. Americans will feel more confident—or simply tired—and may take fewer precautions.

Getting the threat behind us will require a vaccine cleared for general use. There are ways to accelerate that process, but it is important not to cut corners, lest the public lose confidence and refuse a vaccine. The urgent public-health need demands speed. But that doesn’t mean compromising robust data to prove safety and efficacy.

Almost a dozen vaccine candidates are in early clinical trials, with more on the way. Each of the six major drug makers with vaccine programs is developing a Covid-19 candidate. These efforts are moving at an unprecedented pace, thanks to innovative but often unproven vaccine-making technologies, many of which have never been used to make a licensed vaccine. These include gene-based vaccines that deliver parts of the coronavirus gene to the body.

Once vaccine candidates complete Phase 1 clinical studies, which assess their safety and ability to stimulate an immune response, promising candidates should move quickly to Phase 2, or even larger trials that look at efficacy. A vaccine’s ability to generate an immune response doesn’t always indicate that it can prevent infection—and preventing infection and disease are the endpoints that matter.

There are innovative ways to conduct these trials, including what’s known as an adaptive randomized-controlled trial. These trials can be structured to evaluate multiple vaccine candidates against a common control group and can shift enrollment based on which vaccines are most promising. Vaccines would be selected based on their promise in early studies and how quickly their manufacturing can be scaled. With so many patients developing mild or no symptoms, clinical trials will need to be large. But this is the best shot at quickly identifying safe and effective vaccines.


This fall there may be an urge to give a vaccine early to protect certain groups, such as health-care workers and nursing-home residents. There will be pressure to deploy vaccines based on the antibody response, without confirming that they confer immunity. Yet not all antibodies confer equal protection. It also isn’t clear what antibody levels are needed to provide immunity, or how long protection lasts.

Moreover, there are practical concerns about safety. One risk is that a vaccine could make a small number of patients more susceptible to Covid. There’s also a theoretical risk that the coronavirus proteins vaccines use to stimulate immune response—known as the spike protein—may be the trigger for some rare symptoms of Covid illness. These dangers are probably remote, but clinical trials are necessary to detect them.

It’s also time to plan for collecting safety data on the vaccine even after it is made widely available. During the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic, the government relied on the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, a national surveillance program managed by the Food and Drug Administration, and the Vaccine Safety Datalink, which is able to monitor electronic health data on millions of patients. FDA is investing in a real-time system for tracking Covid vaccine safety. Such a system, which can track rare side effects, will be essential for faster and broader distribution.

Covid will likely re-emerge in the fall and winter before it can be vanquished. The fastest way to get effective vaccines, and make sure the public is willing to take them, is through a development plan that earns the trust of Americans.

Dr. Borio is a vice president at In-Q-Tel and was director for medical and biodefense preparedness policy at the National Security Council, 2017-19. Dr. Gottlieb is a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and a board member of Pfizer and Illumina. He was commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, 2017-19.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1027 on: June 04, 2020, 10:40:13 AM »
Wow! I wonder where their funding comes from? Gilead?

Even if Remdesivir is a panacea, which it isn’t, it still won’t necessarily enrich Gilead.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1029 on: June 04, 2020, 07:03:56 PM »


This is how academics save face. What they really should say is: “We we’re taken by a ride, the data was bogus”. Even though the supposedly can’t verify it,  I don’t believe that. I’m sure that without violating “client and confidentiality agreements” they can gather enough accurate data from some sources to prove that what’s there is bogus.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1030 on: June 04, 2020, 07:42:28 PM »
https://t.co/lrDLHvNjkn

It’s great news that COVID isn’t as dangerous as we thought it was. Racism kills far more people apparently.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1031 on: June 04, 2020, 07:49:45 PM »
This is how academics save face. What they really should say is: “We we’re taken by a ride, the data was bogus”. Even though the supposedly can’t verify it,  I don’t believe that. I’m sure that without violating “client and confidentiality agreements” they can gather enough accurate data from some sources to prove that what’s there is bogus.
I saw somewhere that this is the quickest that they ever retracted a study!

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1032 on: June 04, 2020, 08:14:10 PM »
This is how academics save face. What they really should say is: “We we’re taken by a ride, the data was bogus”. Even though the supposedly can’t verify it,  I don’t believe that. I’m sure that without violating “client and confidentiality agreements” they can gather enough accurate data from some sources to prove that what’s there is bogus.
It's already been proven. Enough Australian hospitals denied the information, ruling out a large enough percentage of all cases in Australia
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1036 on: June 08, 2020, 11:14:53 PM »
The good news: doctors offices are empty in Lakewood. Apparently social distancing does work, at least when it comes to strep, ear infections, conjunctivitis etc. The bad news: doctors are starting to lay off staff.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1037 on: June 08, 2020, 11:19:48 PM »
The good news: doctors offices are empty in Lakewood. Apparently social distancing does work, at least when it comes to strep, ear infections, conjunctivitis etc. The bad news: doctors are starting to lay off staff.
Oh is that why certain doctor(s) are strongly advocating reopening schools etc, and to minimize SD (only needed for >60 years old)?


(This is tongue in cheek, mostly.)
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1038 on: June 08, 2020, 11:56:22 PM »
Dr. Fenster sent out that there were 2 new cases of COVID in Lakewood the last week, down from 5 one week ago. BH.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1039 on: June 09, 2020, 12:16:23 AM »
Dr. Fenster sent out that there were 2 new cases of COVID in Lakewood the last week, down from 5 one week ago. BH.

You mean down from 5 the week before?
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