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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1041 on: June 09, 2020, 01:54:02 AM »
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html?fbclid=IwAR2QJX3LSJcrO5AQC2Do0qcBYswSoDA8PfU7Tk0LSrWN6rKhXhOFPqcvjwU

See here, there is a difference between asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic. HWO is saying that it's rare for asymptomatic to spread the virus, but "The incubation period, or the time a person takes to show symptoms after getting infected, is the pre-symptomatic phase, the WHO says. Carriers can infect others during this period."

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1042 on: June 09, 2020, 09:32:12 AM »
WHO has lost all credibility (IMHO) after it backed China up on claims of no human-to-human transmission...
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1043 on: June 09, 2020, 09:51:39 AM »
Dr. Fenster sent out that there were 2 new cases of COVID in Lakewood the last week, down from 5 one week ago. BH.
In Israel in May the numbers went down but now in June there starting to go back up.... will we see that trend in the US?

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1044 on: June 09, 2020, 09:59:25 AM »
WHO has lost all credibility (IMHO) after it backed China up on claims of no human-to-human transmission...
WHO said they have no evidence, and they didn't because China didn't forward it.

International organizations are never perfect, but they're better than nothing.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1045 on: June 09, 2020, 10:06:20 AM »
In Israel in May the numbers went down but now in June there starting to go back up.... will we see that trend in the US?
Sigh. Texas has a record of new cases & hospitalizations already. It never went away.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1046 on: June 09, 2020, 10:12:22 AM »
Sigh. Texas has a record of new cases & hospitalizations already. It never went away.
It seems all the places that are opening up are having a resurgence of cases and the numbers are going up.
Let's just hope that the places the are slower to open with actually see the numbers of cases stay down....

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1047 on: June 09, 2020, 10:26:57 AM »
WHO said they have no evidence, and they didn't because China didn't forward it.

International organizations are never perfect, but they're better than nothing.

There was a coverup in China, and even when evidence seemed to point to the contrary, it is my opinion that WHO continued to aid and abet the coverup.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1048 on: June 09, 2020, 10:32:09 AM »
In Israel in May the numbers went down but now in June there starting to go back up.... will we see that trend in the US?

There is no herd immunity in Israel.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1049 on: June 09, 2020, 10:33:09 AM »
WHO has lost all credibility (IMHO) after it backed China up on claims of no human-to-human transmission...

So the work of the 7000 current WHO employees, and WHO's record for the past 72 years, is outweighed by what you see as one error in early 2020?

Would you argue that rabbanim who insisted that shuls should stay open have also lost all credibility?

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1050 on: June 09, 2020, 10:41:18 AM »
The original goal of the shutdown was to 'flatten the curve'.  At this point the hospitals are not too busy and the doctors have learned from experience.  A person getting covid-19 today is in a much better position than those who got it before Pesach.
It's time to open completely and let the vulnerable population decide their own risk tolerance. 
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1051 on: June 09, 2020, 10:51:26 AM »
There is no herd immunity in Israel.
And there is herd immunity in...?
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1052 on: June 09, 2020, 11:05:09 AM »
It's time to open completely and let the vulnerable population decide their own risk tolerance.

@ckmk47 When you say that, what percent of the population do you imagine is "vulnerable"?  5%?  20%?  75%

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1053 on: June 09, 2020, 11:11:58 AM »
And there is herd immunity in...?
Maybe a town or two in Northern Italy. Even Trump isn't dumb enough to use that argument
It's time to open completely and let the vulnerable population decide their own risk tolerance. 
Because that strategy worked great for Sweden.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1054 on: June 09, 2020, 11:26:02 AM »
So the work of the 7000 current WHO employees, and WHO's record for the past 72 years, is outweighed by what you see as one error in early 2020?

Would you argue that rabbanim who insisted that shuls should stay open have also lost all credibility?

If it’s a coverup that has resulted in epic global repercussions then even if it’s one “error” it carries a lot more weight. Wouldn’t you agree?
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1055 on: June 09, 2020, 11:27:08 AM »
If it’s a coverup that has resulted in epic global repercussions then even if it’s one “error” it carries a lot more weight. Wouldn’t you agree?
They didn't cover up. They aren't an investigative body. Their charter it collect data from sovereigns and relay it. They did it fine.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1056 on: June 09, 2020, 11:28:53 AM »
They didn't cover up. They aren't an investigative body. Their charter it collect data from sovereigns and relay it. They did it fine.

Maybe what I read was sensationally framed in narrative that appeared to be a coverup.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1058 on: June 09, 2020, 11:51:21 AM »
They didn't cover up. They aren't an investigative body. Their charter it collect data from sovereigns and relay it. They did it fine.
They were saying that there was no human to human transmission while everyone on DDF was able to see from @yuneeq how there was.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1059 on: June 09, 2020, 11:52:34 AM »
They were saying that there was no human to human transmission while everyone on DDF was able to see from @yuneeq how there was.
They were saying there is no evidence, and they didn't have it. The world only knew from an HK professor that was in Wuhan by chance.
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