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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1160 on: June 16, 2020, 05:07:13 PM »
Dexamethasone was given to my daughter together with epinephrine when she went into anaphylactic shock. I’m no doctor, but I do find it fascinating that the most promising candidate to date in treating deadly COVID is a medicine that actually decreases immune response.
Perhaps you discovered the next Covid cure?
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1161 on: June 16, 2020, 06:47:19 PM »
Perhaps you discovered the next Covid cure?
Ha, I should fund a study
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1162 on: June 16, 2020, 10:00:06 PM »
Perhaps you discovered the next Covid cure?
Wasn't the immune response believed to cause the most damage for a while already?
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1163 on: June 17, 2020, 07:16:43 AM »
Wasn't the immune response believed to cause the most damage for a while already?
Yes, the cytokine storm

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1164 on: June 17, 2020, 12:56:34 PM »
Goodwill and Salvation Army seeing large increases in drop-off donations.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1165 on: June 17, 2020, 01:50:28 PM »
Goodwill and Salvation Army seeing large increases in drop-off donations.
People cleaning out in their free time?
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1166 on: June 17, 2020, 02:15:22 PM »
People cleaning out in their free time?
Dead people’s belongings?
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1167 on: June 17, 2020, 02:16:35 PM »
Dead people’s belongings?
That makes sense.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1168 on: June 17, 2020, 03:20:33 PM »
Wasn't the immune response believed to cause the most damage for a while already?
Yes, which is probably why dexamethasone was experimented with and probably why it works. I just found this from May where scientists hypothesized that suppressing the immune system can prevent severe illness based on this.

The irony of this is that all of the Vitamin D and natural immune system proponents might actually be making things worse for themselves..
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1169 on: June 17, 2020, 03:50:19 PM »
Dexamethasone has been the standard of care at the large Israeli hospitals, lending to their lower fatality rates

https://twitter.com/NadavEyalDesk/status/1273309087065870339?s=20



The irony of this is that all of the Vitamin D and natural immune system proponents might actually be making things worse for themselves..
Interesting thought, but I wonder if Vitamin D makes the immune system more potent, or healthier.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1170 on: June 17, 2020, 04:49:25 PM »
That makes sense.
Ouch! I will go with just cleaning out the house.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1171 on: June 17, 2020, 04:57:55 PM »

Interesting thought, but I wonder if Vitamin D makes the immune system more potent, or healthier.


the argument made (elsewhere on the forums?) was that it makes it better targeted, i.e. not overreacting

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1172 on: June 17, 2020, 05:09:04 PM »
the argument made (elsewhere on the forums?) was that it makes it better targeted, i.e. not overreacting
Right, that's what I meant by 'healthier'. Another example of how G-d planted the best cures in nature, which medicine not only fails to replicate, but can't even explain.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1173 on: June 17, 2020, 06:29:00 PM »
the argument made (elsewhere on the forums?) was that it makes it better targeted, i.e. not overreacting

From what I understand based on my complete lack of medical knowledge is that perhaps there are 2 types (or more) of immune responses.
At the time of infection, when the virus is attacking and trying to infiltrate the body, having a strong immune response is a good thing. If you're well rested, taking Vitamin D, and have good immunity - that would help prevent and block the virus from infiltrating and infecting too many cells, and the infection will be mild to nothing.

However, once the virus has already infected someone with lower immunity, many more cells become infected. When the virus stops spreading, it starts fighting the cells it latched onto and causing damage, and that kicks in the 2nd level immune response (this immune response isn't dependent on how much vitamin D you consumed recently). Based on the severity of the infection, the immune response will be similarly powerful. So if this 2nd level immune response is out whack, it will cause many of its own problems.

(I wonder how far off the mark I am and if this reads like complete gibberish, because it very likely is.)
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1174 on: June 17, 2020, 10:23:44 PM »
From what I understand based on my complete lack of medical knowledge is that perhaps there are 2 types (or more) of immune responses.
At the time of infection, when the virus is attacking and trying to infiltrate the body, having a strong immune response is a good thing. If you're well rested, taking Vitamin D, and have good immunity - that would help prevent and block the virus from infiltrating and infecting too many cells, and the infection will be mild to nothing.

However, once the virus has already infected someone with lower immunity, many more cells become infected. When the virus stops spreading, it starts fighting the cells it latched onto and causing damage, and that kicks in the 2nd level immune response (this immune response isn't dependent on how much vitamin D you consumed recently). Based on the severity of the infection, the immune response will be similarly powerful. So if this 2nd level immune response is out whack, it will cause many of its own problems.

(I wonder how far off the mark I am and if this reads like complete gibberish, because it very likely is.)
A pretty good summary of the article I linked to here
Yes, which is probably why dexamethasone was experimented with and probably why it works. I just found this from May where scientists hypothesized that suppressing the immune system can prevent severe illness based on this.

The irony of this is that all of the Vitamin D and natural immune system proponents might actually be making things worse for themselves..
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1175 on: June 18, 2020, 12:16:20 AM »
Dexamethasone has been the standard of care at the large Israeli hospitals, lending to their lower fatality rates

https://twitter.com/NadavEyalDesk/status/1273309087065870339

Interesting. Thanks for sharing a plausible explanation for the lower fatality rate in Israel. What is תסמונת Ards?
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1176 on: June 18, 2020, 01:00:49 AM »
Interesting. Thanks for sharing a plausible explanation for the lower fatality rate in Israel. What is תסמונת Ards?

ARDS (Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome) syndrome, which obviously is a bit redundant.

Here's the first article I pulled up about COVID/ARDS.
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/86046
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1178 on: June 18, 2020, 05:22:29 PM »
The irony of this is that all of the Vitamin D and natural immune system proponents might actually be making things worse for themselves..

That's why I posted in April that vitamin D should be used only as a preventative measure, but not by those who tested positive or have symptoms, lest it stimulate an inflammatory response.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1179 on: June 19, 2020, 09:59:13 AM »
jpost.com/health-science/hadassah-doctors-crack-the-cause-of-fatal-corona-blood-clots-631681

Can’t tell if this is good news or typical Israeli optimism.
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