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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1220 on: June 25, 2020, 05:09:36 PM »
The original French Doctor Roult who came up with HCQ published a new study of 3700 hospitalized patients showing improvement with HCQ... but no zinc

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893920302817
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1221 on: June 25, 2020, 05:22:10 PM »
The original French Doctor Roult who came up with HCQ published a new study of 3700 hospitalized patients showing improvement with HCQ... but no zinc

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893920302817
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Although this is a retrospective analysis, results suggest that early diagnosis, early isolation and early treatment of COVID-19 patients, with at least 3 days of HCQ-AZ lead to a significantly better clinical outcome and a faster viral load reduction than other treatments.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1222 on: June 26, 2020, 05:01:46 PM »
It’s now hitting a far younger age group on average so outcomes are likely to be far better than the Northeast.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-surge-in-south-and-west-looks-different-from-norths-11593203105?mod=mhp

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1223 on: June 26, 2020, 05:55:20 PM »
It’s now hitting a far younger age group on average so outcomes are likely to be far better than the Northeast.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-surge-in-south-and-west-looks-different-from-norths-11593203105?mod=mhp
When NY had 8k+ positives we also had around 800 deaths per day. Florida has like 40. The numbers and seriousness at this point isn't minutely comparable to what it was in march/april.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1224 on: June 26, 2020, 06:04:06 PM »
When NY had 8k+ positives we also had around 800 deaths per day. Florida has like 40. The numbers and seriousness at this point isn't minutely comparable to what it was in march/april.

I’m guessing that’s great because they diagnose new cases on the same day that people die? Or perhaps it takes time (more than 3 hours) for a new case to die.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1225 on: June 26, 2020, 06:09:17 PM »
When NY had 8k+ positives we also had around 800 deaths per day. Florida has like 40. The numbers and seriousness at this point isn't minutely comparable to what it was in march/april.

When NY was getting 8k, they were only testing serious cases. If the theories are true that the infection rate was 10x higher in NY in actuality, then you can't compare FL's 8k to NY's 8k. There's a strong case to be made that NY's 8k positives were showing up at a different stage of infection.

So technically, what you say is true: it isn't really comparable. The numbers aren't reason for optimism. Better treatment protocols and early detection are.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1226 on: June 26, 2020, 06:09:43 PM »
I’m guessing that’s great because they diagnose new cases on the same day that people die? Or perhaps it takes time (more than 3 hours) for a new case to die.
There wasn't really a lag in NY. March 20 broke 3k positives and there were 100 deaths.... once it started shooting up the death rate went right with it.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1227 on: June 26, 2020, 06:11:41 PM »
When NY was getting 8k, they were only testing serious cases. If the theories are true that the infection rate was 10x higher in NY in actuality, then you can't compare FL's 8k to NY's 8k. There's a strong case to be made that NY's 8k positives were showing up at a different stage of infection.

So technically, what you say is true: it isn't really comparable. The numbers aren't reason for optimism. Better treatment protocols and early detection are.
That's incorrect. In NY if you had any symptoms you were able to get checked since March. Early March they discouraged if you weren't serious. But before pesach testing wad widespread and everyone was able to get tested

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1228 on: June 26, 2020, 06:16:04 PM »
That's incorrect. In NY if you had any symptoms you were able to get checked since March. Early March they discouraged if you weren't serious. But before pesach testing wad widespread and everyone was able to get tested

There was no testing in February and early March. When testing started in mid-March, we started seeing deaths from people who had already been infected, possibly for weeks. The average time between positive test and death is 30 days. The widespread testing that occurred in April didn't result in April deaths. Those were March infections and hospitalizations.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1229 on: June 26, 2020, 06:21:15 PM »
There was no testing in February and early March. When testing started in mid-March, we started seeing deaths from people who had already been infected, possibly for weeks. The average time between positive test and death is 30 days. The widespread testing that occurred in April didn't result in April deaths. Those were March infections and hospitalizations.
Yup. Florida could very well be where NY was in late February now. I sure hope not, but we won't know for a couple weeks.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1230 on: June 26, 2020, 06:31:02 PM »
Yup. Florida could very well be where NY was in late February now. I sure hope not, but we won't know for a couple weeks.

The good news is that we're eons ahead of where NY was in early Feb with regards to awareness, prevention, resources, and treatment. I fear that if the results are so much better, people will downplay it's severity and take it less seriously going into fall.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1231 on: June 26, 2020, 06:32:34 PM »
The good news is that we're eons ahead of where NY was in early Feb with regards to awareness, prevention, resources, and treatment. I fear that if the results are so much better, people will downplay it's severity and take it less seriously going into fall.
Right, but the real question is are vulnerable people staying home?
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1232 on: June 26, 2020, 06:35:37 PM »
Right, but the real question is are vulnerable people staying home?

Unfortunately, not as much as they should be. Still better than before, though.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1233 on: June 26, 2020, 07:13:07 PM »
There wasn't really a lag in NY. March 20 broke 3k positives and there were 100 deaths.... once it started shooting up the death rate went right with it.

Btw, if that's the game you want to play, in NY the virus must have become superb  deadly. We're seeing daily death counts at 5-15% of the new positive cases.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1234 on: June 26, 2020, 07:16:51 PM »
Btw, if that's the game you want to play, in NY the virus must have become superb  deadly. We're seeing daily death counts at 5-15% of the new positive cases.
Really?


Today was 1.40 percent and yesterday was 1.66.

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1235 on: June 26, 2020, 07:21:21 PM »
Really?


Today was 1.40 percent and yesterday was 1.66.

761 new cases, 41 deaths. Looks deadly.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1236 on: June 26, 2020, 07:22:14 PM »
761 new cases, 41 deaths. Looks deadly.
Who had 761 new cases??

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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1237 on: June 26, 2020, 07:22:54 PM »
Who had 761 new cases??

The State of New York. The place my post was talking about.
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Re: Is there any good news in the fight against COVID-19?
« Reply #1238 on: June 26, 2020, 07:25:01 PM »
The State of New York. The place my post was talking about.
My apologies. But there were only 14 deaths in NY yesterday.

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« Reply #1239 on: June 26, 2020, 07:29:39 PM »
My apologies. But there were only 14 deaths in NY yesterday.

You're right. And it's been the exception, not the rule. The point is, that's not how the virus works and not how the numbers should be looked at. I think you'd agree with that?
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