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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #435 on: April 21, 2020, 11:41:41 PM »
Don't think this is direct antisemitism. I think it is a result from the narrative that antisemitism has built.
What does it mean "being told to self isolate"

Almost the whole country is under stay at home orders. Is there something else in NY and Lakewood I don't know about?

That being said the singling out of Lakewood might not be Antisemitism just practically they have a fairly high number of patients from Lakewood.

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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #436 on: April 21, 2020, 11:47:10 PM »
Don't think this is direct antisemitism. I think it is a result from the narrative that antisemitism has built.

This is crazy! Lakewood is number 51 in NJ coronavirus rates per capita.


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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #437 on: April 22, 2020, 12:43:25 AM »
This is crazy! Lakewood is number 51 in NJ coronavirus rates per capita.

We keep quoting stats about how Lakewood has so many fewer cases than some other place in NJ or the US as if it's going to stop anti-Semitism. Haters gonna hate. The narrative just changes to, "Those Jews spread that thing around, used up all the hospital beds, and left the rest of us to suffer their consequences."
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #438 on: April 22, 2020, 01:01:52 AM »
We keep quoting stats about how Lakewood has so many fewer cases than some other place in NJ or the US as if it's going to stop anti-Semitism. Haters gonna hate. The narrative just changes to, "Those Jews spread that thing around, used up all the hospital beds, and left the rest of us to suffer their consequences."
+1000 Changing the complaint isnít news, everyone does it. But we shouldnít be feeding them, we do need to be careful.

As Iíve pointed out elsewhere, the same people who said it was the flu, when forced to back down, then said well driving also kills people, when they realized that straw man doesnít work, they said well now everyone already has it so this isnít worth it, when they realized thatís not true, they said well a second wave will be deadlier so letís try to have everyone get it slowly and steadily.. same argument, different reasons, because itís not about the facts, itís an agenda.

People with an agenda will always look for and find an excuse, but we should prevent them having more fodder to throw to those as yet undecided.
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #439 on: April 22, 2020, 01:10:48 AM »
This is crazy! Lakewood is at least number 51 in NJ coronavirus rates per capita.
FTFY.

There may be many more towns with a higher per capita rate.

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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #440 on: April 22, 2020, 01:11:50 AM »
+1000 Changing the complaint isnít news, everyone does it. But we shouldnít be feeding them, we do need to be careful.

As Iíve pointed out elsewhere, the same people who said it was the flu, when forced to back down, then said well driving also kills people, when they realized that straw man doesnít work, they said well now everyone already has it so this isnít worth it, when they realized thatís not true, they said well a second wave will be deadlier so letís try to have everyone get it slowly and steadily.. same argument, different reasons, because itís not about the facts, itís an agenda.

People with an agenda will always look for and find an excuse, but we should prevent them having more fodder to throw to those as yet undecided.

I disagree. I was raised that you don't argue with missionaries. You lead by example and reach out to the same people the missionaries target with love and emes, and the people will realize the truth for themselves.

Like I said before, haters gonna hate. You'll never change their minds. Instead of expressing shock and making them alter their arguments a little at a time, lead by example and flood your world with goodness until the "undecided" say, "MI k'amcha Yisroel!" As most non-Jews can attest, by seeing what a Jew is really all about, they see through the bigotry without you having to constantly argue.
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #441 on: April 22, 2020, 01:12:40 AM »
This is crazy! Lakewood is at most number 51 in NJ coronavirus rates per capita.

FTFY.

There may be many more towns with a higher per capita rate.
FTFY  ;)
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #442 on: April 22, 2020, 06:40:06 AM »
...but we should prevent them having more fodder to throw to those as yet undecided.
I guess someone does understand.
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #443 on: April 22, 2020, 09:54:45 AM »
I guess someone does understand.
We all understand. It's OK if a Jew wants to be extra careful and take unnecessary precautions just to appease anti Semites. It's a free country. But it's anti Semitic for someone else to expect that of a Jew, and anti Semitic to blame a Jew for anti semitism for not appeasing anti Semites.

   
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #444 on: April 22, 2020, 10:02:32 AM »
This is crazy! Lakewood is number 51 in NJ coronavirus rates per capita.


Lakewood population seems to be (much) higher than many of the 51 towns, what does that say Lakewoodís per capita rate? On the one hand if itís more densely populated then youíd expect higher numbers, on the other hand some of these towns are tiny and their per capita rate is possibly statistically insignificant. I.e. in a town with a few hundred people or less, every single person who tests positive moves the needle as far as the per capita rate.
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #445 on: April 22, 2020, 10:04:22 AM »
Another thing to consider in this list of towns is their per capita testing volume. My guess is Lakewood tested much more (per capita) than some of these towns, meaning that if you increased the tests in other NJ towns Lakewood might move further down the list.
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #446 on: April 22, 2020, 10:36:54 AM »
We all understand. It's OK if a Jew wants to be extra careful and take unnecessary precautions just to appease anti Semites. It's a free country. But it's anti Semitic for someone else to expect that of a Jew, and anti Semitic to blame a Jew for anti semitism for not appeasing anti Semites. 
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #447 on: April 22, 2020, 02:07:35 PM »
Don't think this is direct antisemitism. I think it is a result from the narrative that antisemitism has built.
This is crazy! Lakewood is number 51 in NJ coronavirus rates per capita.

I wasn't comprehensive, but to me it looks like all of the 50k+ population municipalities which have a higher rate than Lakewood would be included as counties surrounding NYC. Lakewood stands out in its connection to NYC despite it not being as close geographically. In fact, parts of NYC are suburbs of Lakewood!
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #449 on: April 23, 2020, 12:46:02 PM »
There was a story on a local website about all the violations in Lakewood yesterday (i'm not linking it because it has names) It lists all the details including names ages and nature of offense. The article ends with this line.
Meanwhile, the Newark police divisionís COVID-19 task force issued 29 for violations of the emergency orders in the stateís largest city Tuesday.

I emailed the writer of the article the following:

I read your article on the social distancing violations in Lakewood with great interest.
One line really caught my attention. At the end you note that Meanwhile, the Newark police divisionís COVID-19 task force issued 29 for violations of the emergency orders in the stateís largest city Tuesday. 
That got me wondering why the violations in Lakewood  warrant a full article with all the details like names, ages and nature of the offenses yet the violations in Newark barely warrant a mention.
Are you discriminating against the predominantly african american population in Newark or against the predominantly jewish population in Lakewood?.

Thank you
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