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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #345 on: April 12, 2020, 12:54:49 PM »
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BP is OOT at this point Lakewood does not fit that description at all.
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #346 on: April 12, 2020, 12:59:00 PM »
BP is OOT at this point Lakewood does not fit that description at all.
Seems so. There are at least 3 outdoor minyanim on my block and thats only in front of the houses. There are more behind the houses.
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #347 on: April 12, 2020, 01:10:42 PM »
Nothing wrong with minyanim outside. Many rabonim say so.

We as jews should be strong with our principles and shall continue prayers together when possible and do so safely.

If one can go to the grocery and keep social distancing why can't one go to shul and do it, and outside?

It's a shame that we care what the NY Post has to say. We shall continue to daven with minyan with  proper distancing measures.

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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #348 on: April 12, 2020, 01:14:06 PM »
Nothing wrong with minyanim outside. Many rabonim say so.

We as jews should be strong with our principles and shall continue prayers together when possible and do so safely.

If one can go to the grocery and keep social distancing why can't one go to shul and do it, and outside?

It's a shame that we care what the NY Post has to say. We shall continue to daven with minyan with  proper distancing measures.
I have seen a number of outdoor before the rabbonim came out strongly against them and one after. Not a single one really kept to any guidelines.
The thing with the hamster is that running on the wheel is actually what it is trying to do.

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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #349 on: April 12, 2020, 01:16:06 PM »
Nothing wrong with minyanim outside. Many rabonim say so.

We as jews should be strong with our principles and shall continue prayers together when possible and do so safely.

If one can go to the grocery and keep social distancing why can't one go to shul and do it, and outside?

It's a shame that we care what the NY Post has to say. We shall continue to daven with minyan with  proper distancing measures.
The poskim set so many gedarim that we shouldnt be nichshal on aveiros. Here you are being machmir on pikuach nefesh, a doraisa by not davening with a minyan a d'rabbanan. You can say you are social distancing at minyanim all you want. I see otherwise. I see people that are oiver lifnei eveir every time they make a minyan because people cant hold themselves back from "shpatziring" during davening. Your relying on people not being creatures of habit. 
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #350 on: April 12, 2020, 01:17:16 PM »
I have seen a number of outdoor before the rabbonim came out strongly against them and one after. Not a single one really kept to any guidelines.
the problem here in BP is that no rav actually came out with any ban on outdoor minyanim. Every one of my neighbors says "Who said?"
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #351 on: April 12, 2020, 01:19:13 PM »
the problem here in BP is that no rav actually came out with any ban on outdoor minyanim. Every one of my neighbors says "Who said?"
Is there any who would be considered enough of an authority?
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #352 on: April 12, 2020, 01:20:16 PM »
I have seen a number of outdoor before the rabbonim came out strongly against them and one after. Not a single one really kept to any guidelines.
If you can't keep guidelines then dont attend.

I know of a few where everyone stays on their own porch and no one goes down, what's the problem with that?

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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #353 on: April 12, 2020, 01:24:52 PM »
Is there any who would be considered enough of an authority?
Probably not. But a conglomerate of Rabbanim could have. Satmar Monroe supposedly closed all his shuls but I doubt that is true. Satmar Williamsburg is officially open for tefillos only. Emunas Yisrael is officially open. Stolin is locked shut. As usual theyre all worried about their image. The other one was open why couldnt I have been is whats going on.
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #354 on: April 12, 2020, 01:25:25 PM »
If you can't keep guidelines then dont attend.

I know of a few where everyone stays on their own porch and no one goes down, what's the problem with that?
The ones that cant keep guidelines are the frummest of all.
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #355 on: April 12, 2020, 01:26:45 PM »
If you can't keep guidelines then dont attend.

I know of a few where everyone stays on their own porch and no one goes down, what's the problem with that?
A number of Lakewood rabbonim told me very specifically not to make one even that way because it will lead to problems. I stopped joining one even though I am a chiyuv based on this. Others continued it. When I looked out my window over Yom tov, lo and behold there are a bunch of people who found out about it and were hanging around without following guidelines. The rabbonim know what they are talking about To go against the rabbonim would not be a zchus for my father.
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #356 on: April 12, 2020, 01:28:02 PM »
the problem here in BP is that no rav actually came out with any ban on outdoor minyanim. Every one of my neighbors says "Who said?"
Halvay that Rabbonim have the power. Ppl are not relying on them and they feel smarter than the Rabbonim. Here in CH Rabbonim wrote it clearly that no Minyan is allowed but ppl can't help themselves.
In a certain way, if they anyway will not listen, better to not tell them (ע"ד מוטב שיהיו שוגגין ואל יהיו מזידין).

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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #357 on: April 12, 2020, 01:30:20 PM »
The ones that cant keep guidelines are the frummest of all.


Those making minyanim are not being frum. They are being porek ol

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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #358 on: April 12, 2020, 01:35:42 PM »
the problem here in BP is that no rav actually came out with any ban on outdoor minyanim. Every one of my neighbors says "Who said?"
This is the part I donít get (and the main difference in Lakewood is that the Rabbanim and doctors came out unified and strongly against making minyanim and everyone listens to a few main poskim/Roshei Yeshiva)- why do we need Rabbanim to tell people to use their brains? Seriously, how did this become a Jewish thing? Itís common sense, like looking both ways before crossing the street and going to a doctor if youíre not well.
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
« Reply #359 on: April 12, 2020, 01:39:49 PM »
Halvay that Rabbonim have the power. Ppl are not relying on them and they feel smarter than the Rabbonim. Here in CH Rabbonim wrote it clearly that no Minyan is allowed but ppl can't help themselves.
In a certain way, if they anyway will not listen, better to not tell them (ע"ד מוטב שיהיו שוגגין ואל יהיו מזידין).
If you live in CH then listen to ur Rav there.

Every one should listen to thier Rav.

JUST FYI mine said shul should be closed.
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