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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #80 on: May 19, 2020, 09:40:08 AM »
Can I ask why that headline is anti-semetic?
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #81 on: May 19, 2020, 09:41:38 AM »

Anyone want to take a guess on how long it'll take for one of these to show up as a news items in this thread?

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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #82 on: May 19, 2020, 09:41:51 AM »
Can I ask why that headline is anti-semetic?
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #83 on: May 19, 2020, 09:43:06 AM »
Anti-Semitism thread?
I believe any school with 70 children open now, can make a headline.

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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #84 on: May 19, 2020, 09:48:35 AM »
I believe any school with 70 children open now, can make a headline.

Absolutely, but the headline can be seen as saying that this is yet another way Chassidim have been a pain in the ass during this pandemic. I personally don't have a problem with it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #85 on: May 19, 2020, 10:09:11 AM »
Absolutely, but the headline can be seen as saying that this is yet another way Chassidim have been a pain in the ass during this pandemic. I personally don't have a problem with it. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
So all "Chassidim" are playing stupid games?

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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #86 on: May 19, 2020, 10:30:34 AM »
So all "Chassidim" are playing stupid games?

No. I said it can be interpreted that way, but I don't have an issue with the headline. I think it's accurate, in line with how they would treat any headline, and doesn't generalize. Full break. Now, as Jews, if we don't want to be in the headlines, we shouldn't do stupid things. And while it's a small minority doing these things, we can't complain when they make headlines with their stupidity.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #87 on: May 19, 2020, 03:21:10 PM »
No. I said it can be interpreted that way, but I don't have an issue with the headline. I think it's accurate, in line with how they would treat any headline, and doesn't generalize. Full break. Now, as Jews, if we don't want to be in the headlines, we shouldn't do stupid things. And while it's a small minority doing these things, we can't complain when they make headlines with their stupidity.
From their point of view what they are doing is right and if the price of doing business is risking the headlines than they are willing to accept that risk.

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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #89 on: May 19, 2020, 03:30:59 PM »
From their point of view what they are doing is right and if the price of doing business is risking the headlines than they are willing to accept that risk.

If the price of doing business was only a few headlines...

The reality is, that while the headline wasn't anti-Semitic, it will definitely lead to a rise in anti-Semitism, and that's a price we all pay. I'm not thrilled that they are ok with that cost of doing business.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #90 on: May 19, 2020, 03:44:31 PM »
If the price of doing business was only a few headlines...

The reality is, that while the headline wasn't anti-Semitic, it will definitely lead to a rise in anti-Semitism, and that's a price we all pay. I'm not thrilled that they are ok with that cost of doing business.
Chassidim in general are not that into aiva, worrying that what they do is going to be perceived by the non jewish or secular world as bad etc..

For example in many communities (my own included) the main reason shuls are still closed is because of gov't regulations, by the chassidim this is much less of a consideration

Although they usually try to do things under the radar as much as possible
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #92 on: May 19, 2020, 04:45:41 PM »
If the price of doing business was only a few headlines...

The reality is, that while the headline wasn't anti-Semitic, it will definitely lead to a rise in anti-Semitism, and that's a price we all pay. I'm not thrilled that they are ok with that cost of doing business.

A very prominent Willi/Satmar Ruv told me, his understanding is there is no Aiva in doing mitzvot. He argued that davining with a minyan or learning in a yeshiva should not be scrutinized by Aiva, rather only if it is safe.
Same as you cant use Aiva as a basis for not sitting in a sukkah in a non-Jewish neighborhood or putting on tefillin on a plane
Aiva is only when a non-jew asks you to sell him something or help him and its Shabbos...

P.S. I can understand the other way of looking at this
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #93 on: May 19, 2020, 04:48:57 PM »
A very prominent Willi/Satmar Ruv told me his understanding is there is no Aiva in doing mitzvot. He argued that saving in a minyan or learning in a yeshiva should not be scrutinized by Aiva rather only if it safe.
Same as you cant use Aiva for not sitting in a sukkah or putting on filling on a plane
Aiva is only when a non-jew asks you to sell him something or help him and its say Shabbos...

P.S. I can understand the other way of looking at this

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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #94 on: May 19, 2020, 06:57:21 PM »
A very prominent Willi/Satmar Ruv told me, his understanding is there is no Aiva in doing mitzvot. He argued that davining with a minyan or learning in a yeshiva should not be scrutinized by Aiva, rather only if it is safe.
Same as you cant use Aiva as a basis for not sitting in a sukkah in a non-Jewish neighborhood or putting on tefillin on a plane
Aiva is only when a non-jew asks you to sell him something or help him and its Shabbos...

P.S. I can understand the other way of looking at this
You can only be mechalel shabbos but not miss tefila bitzibur?
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #96 on: May 19, 2020, 08:31:37 PM »
You can only be mechalel shabbos but not miss tefila bitzibur?

You can be mechalel shabbos but not miss tfillin?

Question is is there Avia in doing mitzvos

Reminds me of a psak from Dovid Stav permitting shaking a woman's hand. As embarrassing her is a deorisa and shaking her hand is only a derabonon.

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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #97 on: May 19, 2020, 08:45:26 PM »
You can only be mechalel shabbos but not miss tefila bitzibur?
Aiva is currently the most overused and abused halacha around
Everytime a goy doesn't like your mitzvos or passes laws against them you stop doing them?
There is a difference between him getting angry about not saving a goy and not doing mitzvos because he doesn't like mitzvos
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #98 on: May 19, 2020, 08:46:32 PM »
Reminds me of a psak from Dovid Stav permitting shaking a woman's hand. As embarrassing her is a deorisa and shaking her hand is only a derabonon.
Is it her who's embarrassed or you?
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #99 on: May 19, 2020, 08:49:01 PM »
Is it her who's embarrassed or you?

She is hurt by me not wanting to shake her hand