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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #160 on: May 19, 2020, 10:35:18 PM »
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #161 on: May 19, 2020, 10:36:08 PM »
https://abc7ny.com/antisemitic-attack-antisemitism-brooklyn-williamsburg/6195504/
If anything, those have slowed down in the past few months. GN. Can continue tomorrow maybe :)

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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #162 on: May 19, 2020, 10:36:39 PM »
The forbidding of all minyonim because there was an aiva that reached a level of chillul shabbos
Are you trying to say that it is because that hospital always mistreated Jews that they began allowing porch minyanim again? You think that was the thought process?
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #163 on: May 19, 2020, 10:39:39 PM »
If anything, those have slowed down in the past few months. GN. Can continue tomorrow maybe :)

You asked for a case, I gave you one. That's it.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #164 on: May 19, 2020, 10:40:41 PM »
If anything, those have slowed down in the past few months. GN. Can continue tomorrow maybe :)
That and all other violent crime.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #165 on: May 19, 2020, 11:22:09 PM »
There is a reason the lakewood rabbonim backtracked on that one so fast. The hospital in question has been mistreating Jews well before there was Covid 19
Source?
You seem to be the one who has a hard time seeing others opinions. I would't be calling others blind
My sister’s first cousin was treated terribly in one hospital in NY, a nurse told another nurse in his room “these guys just keep praying and endangering all of us, he deserves to die”. Heard directly from my sister who heard it from the patient’s mother.

I also know of a similar story in Jersey Shore.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #166 on: May 19, 2020, 11:24:28 PM »
first cousin-mother-sister-to you wow must've for sure been said

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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #167 on: May 19, 2020, 11:25:17 PM »
first cousin-mother-sister-to you wow must've for sure been said
Huh
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #168 on: May 19, 2020, 11:25:57 PM »
They do not view it as a rule made for public safety, unless you're judging purely on intent. Not rightly, but still a point.
You’ve got to be kidding me. Do you not understand what he’s saying?

If you are perceived to be in violation of a law that is perceived to be in place for everybody’s safety that is probably a violation of the prohibition of causing of aiva.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #169 on: May 19, 2020, 11:27:14 PM »
first cousin-mother-sister-to you wow must've for sure been said
I’m not understanding. Who are you calling a liar:  me, my sister, or her aunt? Her aunt was directly informed by her son who was the patient.

Mind you this aunt lost her brother and 2 cousins to COVID, as a sad footnote.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #170 on: May 19, 2020, 11:31:18 PM »
We get it. You are emotional about the issue/schools/minyanim/covid/rabbis/drs etc . We see it on every chat regarding COVID. No need to profess it constantly.

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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #171 on: May 19, 2020, 11:33:47 PM »
We get it. You are emotional about the issue/schools/minyanim/covid/rabbis/drs etc . We see it on every chat regarding COVID. No need to profess it constantly.
Please talk like a mentch.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #172 on: May 19, 2020, 11:39:49 PM »
We get it. You are emotional about the issue/schools/minyanim/covid/rabbis/drs etc . We see it on every chat regarding COVID. No need to profess it constantly.
Aha. So that is your logical rebuttal to the factual evidence I presented? Almost as coherent as
first cousin-mother-sister-to you wow must've for sure been said
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #173 on: May 19, 2020, 11:41:24 PM »
I’m not understanding. Who are you calling a liar:  me, my sister, or her aunt? Her aunt was directly informed by her son who was the patient.

Mind you this aunt lost her brother and 2 cousins to COVID, as a sad footnote.

I think he did not say it in proper manner

What he meant. Ppl tend not to believe third-hand stories.
not necessarily accusing anybody of lying it's just a feeling parts got changed up along the way or exaggerated

As a footnote I lost two grandmothers, one uncle and one first cousin to coved

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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #174 on: May 19, 2020, 11:45:23 PM »
Aha. So that is your logical rebuttal to the factual evidence I presented? Almost as coherent as

ok officially went from 99% not respecting what he says to 110%....moving right along
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #175 on: May 19, 2020, 11:49:25 PM »
Back on track

We all believe there is Avia by not treating a nonjew on Shabbat
We all believe there is no Avia for doing mitzvos in public

If there is imminent danger we should close shuls

We disagree if there is no imminent danger but
against the law
or not against the law but maybe perceived by a nonjew as endangering the public if we have avia

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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #176 on: May 19, 2020, 11:51:22 PM »
I think he did not say it in proper manner
You think?


What he meant. Ppl tend not to believe third-hand stories.
not necessarily accusing anybody of lying it's just a feeling parts got changed up along the way or exaggerated

As a footnote I lost two grandmothers, one uncle and one first cousin to coved
If someone has trouble believing the accuracy and cares, feel free to PM me. I obviously have my sister’s number. I was responding to a post that didn’t believe such stories are true (when Rabbi Forscheimer himself publicly said it over!). When a response is an ad hominem attack on my publicly stated sources it says something about the underlying strength of said position...

I feel terrible about your loss. I don’t doubt that many people on these forums have suffered horribly.

We get it. You are emotional about the issue/schools/minyanim/covid/rabbis/drs etc . We see it on every chat regarding COVID. No need to profess it constantly.

I don’t recall being overly emotional, I actually thought most of my posts on these topics have been logically sound. Please do quote me where I seem to let emotion cloud reason if you disagree. PUOSU. I haven’t seen any substance in your posts, but then, you haven’t shown much knowledge on the subject as it is.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #177 on: May 19, 2020, 11:54:21 PM »
first cousin-mother-sister-to you wow must've for sure been said
We get it. You are emotional about the issue/schools/minyanim/covid/rabbis/drs etc . We see it on every chat regarding COVID. No need to profess it constantly.
The chutzpah was supposed to stop before lag b'omer. Please stop.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #178 on: May 20, 2020, 12:03:35 AM »
My sister’s first cousin was treated terribly in one hospital in NY, a nurse told another nurse in his room “these guys just keep praying and endangering all of us, he deserves to die”. Heard directly from my sister who heard it from the patient’s mother.

I also know of a similar story in Jersey Shore.

I can confirm similar instances in Jersey Shore before pesach from nurses as well as admin including senior admin. That sentiment has changed significantly since pesach, however, and the the sheer number of frum patients in those medical facilities before pesach which gave rise to chashash aiva is no longer a concern.

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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #179 on: May 20, 2020, 12:07:05 AM »
Back on track

We all believe there is Avia by not treating a nonjew on Shabbat
correct, this is the Halacha
We all believe there is no Avia for doing mitzvos in public- certainly not universally, there are many times we don’t do a mitzvah as properly as we should for aiva concerns, one case is possibly wearing tzitzis out (MB 8-11) (disclaimer: I didn’t go through the whole sugya but it a popular example)

If there is imminent danger we should close shuls nothing to do with aiva

We disagree if there is no imminent danger but
against the law or not against the law but maybe perceived by a nonjew as endangering the public if we have avia
there seems to be disagreement in a case where something is prohibited by law, believed to be in the interest of public safety, and you don’t believe it is actually dangerous, despite it possibly having severe ramifications as has been occurring already. I don’t understand it, but that seems to be where the argument is.
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