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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #200 on: May 25, 2020, 05:03:35 PM »
Other people. First guy I definitely hear.

Also I’m not sure why I took this OT, just saw talk about people not having antibodies and therefore being excluded from yeshiva. Now I see people are making another level of people who were exposed but didn’t get anything and are therefore less worried
I think the first guy is misguided.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #201 on: May 25, 2020, 05:08:31 PM »
I think the first guy is misguided.
Misguided because you have a theory that must be right?
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #202 on: May 25, 2020, 05:11:01 PM »
Misguided because you have a theory that must be right?
No, because for a young healthy person the risk is negligible.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #203 on: May 25, 2020, 05:12:41 PM »
Other people. First guy I definitely hear.

Also I’m not sure why I took this OT, just saw talk about people not having antibodies and therefore being excluded from yeshiva. Now I see people are making another level of people who were exposed but didn’t get anything and are therefore less worried
They are definitely misguided but there is at least an argument to be made. If the theory that some people may be less susceptible to catching the virus altogether (for example, due to exposure to previous coronaviruses) is true, then strong previous exposure can be used as anecdotal evidence that this person is more likely to fall into that category.

Of course, it’s at best a theory, and even if the theory is true their lack of contracting the virus previously in no way necessarily means that they are of that category, it just means they failed to catch it yet for some reason, of which one may be that they’re less susceptible.

So yes, they’re definitely misguided (and likely under informed), but there is at least a scientific possibility that they have a point.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #204 on: May 25, 2020, 05:14:58 PM »
No, because for a young healthy person the risk of immediate death is negligible compared to some other things (though we certainly have no idea of long term potential ramifications and they can become a spreader of the virus to other more vulnerable people).
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #205 on: May 25, 2020, 05:24:54 PM »
They are definitely misguided but there is at least an argument to be made. If the theory that some people may be less susceptible to catching the virus altogether (for example, due to exposure to previous coronaviruses) is true, then strong previous exposure can be used as anecdotal evidence that this person is more likely to fall into that category.

Of course, it’s at best a theory, and even if the theory is true their lack of contracting the virus previously in no way necessarily means that they are of that category, it just means they failed to catch it yet for some reason, of which one may be that they’re less susceptible.

So yes, they’re definitely misguided (and likely under informed), but there is at least a scientific possibility that they have a point.
I don’t think that it’s a theory. They found blood samples that could not have possibly been exposed to COVID (from 2015) and were immune to it because of the presence of T-cells.

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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #206 on: May 25, 2020, 05:36:59 PM »
FTFY
People who are afraid of the unknown to the point of not going out are usually prescribed medication for anxiety.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #207 on: May 25, 2020, 05:38:26 PM »
Then there's also the theory that @Dan posted a few times, which posits that there are some people who are super spreaders and more contagious than others. If that theory is correct, then having been exposed to many people with light viral shedding doesn't mean you won't catch it in shul, which is more or less accepted to be a higher risk place (due to closed quarters, loud singing, extended periods in one place, etc.).
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #208 on: May 25, 2020, 05:39:56 PM »
I don’t think that it’s a theory. They found blood samples that could not have possibly been exposed to COVID (from 2015) and were immune to it because of the presence of T-cells.

They didn't prove that those cells conferred immunity on anyone. They found that those particular cells may be resistant to Covid.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #209 on: May 25, 2020, 05:41:15 PM »
People who are afraid of the unknown to the point of not going out are usually prescribed medication for anxiety.

So are people who disregard all risk. What's your point?
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #210 on: May 25, 2020, 05:46:23 PM »
So are people who disregard all risk. What's your point?
I've never heard of anyone getting anxiety medication for disregarding risk.

I think you understood my point, but you choose to keep your doomsday rhetoric going.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #211 on: May 25, 2020, 05:49:19 PM »
I've never heard of anyone getting anxiety medication for disregarding risk.

I think you understood my point, but you choose to keep your doomsday rhetoric going.

Not anxiety medication, other meds, but you understood my point, too.

We each have our opinions, and I'm not trying to change yours, but to call someone misguided for trying to avoid a pandemic and equating it to people who are scared of the boogeyman is a bit much.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #212 on: May 25, 2020, 05:50:19 PM »
It’s really impossible to have civil discussions here these days isn’t it.

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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #213 on: May 25, 2020, 06:03:36 PM »
Not anxiety medication, other meds, but you understood my point, too.

We each have our opinions, and I'm not trying to change yours, but to call someone misguided for trying to avoid a pandemic and equating it to people who are scared of the boogeyman is a bit much.
Anyone should be able to understand that the risk to young healthy people is negligible.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #214 on: May 25, 2020, 06:22:35 PM »
Anyone should be able to understand that the risk to young healthy people is negligible.
And then people find out that they are not actually perfectly healthy. Did you perhaps already forget how many young people died in the last 2 months?

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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #215 on: May 25, 2020, 06:36:52 PM »
And then people find out that they are not actually perfectly healthy. Did you perhaps already forget how many young people died in the last 2 months?
How many of those young people had other risk factors and were aware of them? Sure there were some who didn't, but they're rare.

Life comes with risk, as things stand for young healthy people those risk are incredibly low.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #216 on: May 25, 2020, 06:38:05 PM »
How many of those young people had other risk factors and were aware of them? Sure there were some who didn't, but they're rare.

Life comes with risk, as things stand for young healthy people those risk are incredibly low.
Incredibly low?

Low enough to put go and in all likelihood expose yourself for the first time?

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« Reply #217 on: May 25, 2020, 06:48:06 PM »
Incredibly low?

Low enough to put go and in all likelihood expose yourself for the first time?
I think the car analogy is appropriate.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #218 on: May 25, 2020, 07:03:53 PM »
People who are afraid of the unknown to the point of not going out are usually prescribed medication for anxiety.
'2020' and 'usually' are two very different things :)
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #219 on: May 25, 2020, 07:08:50 PM »
'2020' and 'usually' are two very different things :)
I think it's very likely more people were prescribed anxiety medications that usual, although I don't have any data to back it up.
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