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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #260 on: May 25, 2020, 11:31:02 PM »
Per the CDC, there have been more COVID patients hospitalized between 18-64 than 65+. Almost half of those are 49 or younger.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #261 on: May 25, 2020, 11:31:20 PM »
Per the CDC, there have been more COVID patients hospitalized between 18-64 than 65+. Almost half of those are 49 or younger.

“preexisting conditions” aren’t always known prior, and obesity is considered a significant comorbidity.
maybe this is bc the older crowd have been hiding away much earlier than the rest of us so naturally got affected less? 🤷‍♂️
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #262 on: May 25, 2020, 11:31:39 PM »
You keep saying many young and healthy people have been hospitalized and died when it's simply not true. The overwhelming majority of young people who have been hospitalized have preexisting conditions, that means that those who don't have preexisting conditions shouldn't be living in fear of getting the virus.
I think you are grossly underestimating how many people are considered to be having pre existing conditions.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #263 on: May 25, 2020, 11:31:53 PM »
You were definitely denying it a few weeks ago.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #264 on: May 25, 2020, 11:32:16 PM »
maybe this is bc the older crowd have been hiding away much earlier than the rest of us so naturally got affected less? 🤷‍♂️

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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #266 on: May 25, 2020, 11:38:20 PM »
Question.

If you would now hear about one new diagnosis within the frum community who them spread it to 10 people, would that be the same or different from that attorney and why
No , if one frum person infected ten that would not at this point bring on that level of concern. Very different at this point. At the time that attorney tested positive Wuhan had just given us a glimpse of how virulent Covid was, and cases had started popping up around the globe despite containment efforts. It was a given to anyone closely following the global pattern that the frum community with its extreme exposure to each other on so many levels, amplified by Purim, would be hit hard.

At this point even if there was a flare up of ten people you are dealing with a frum community that was as about as exposed as it could be around purim. Identical exposure would hardly replicate the wave of infections that hit then, especially considering the precautions that the vulnerable, and to some degree even most of the young and healthy among us are taking.

If you would hear of a similarly exposed population being hit with a new wave despite all, and indications were that the frum community would likely be next, then absolutely I would advocate that immediate measures be taken.

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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #267 on: May 25, 2020, 11:39:47 PM »
I know older people who haven't gone out since Purim.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #268 on: May 25, 2020, 11:40:20 PM »
The discussion started about someone who was very cautious and is now afraid to go out to daven with a minyan. That person is living in fear, I'm sure there are many other people who are taking precautions and not living in fear.
This isn’t super relevant but the OP did not specify age or condition of the person. Yes, it’s reasonable to assume the person is not elderly or immune-compromised but there is a big range between a twenty something perfectly fit strong man in the prime of his health with zero health conditions and a 95 year old man with a weak heart and diabetes. What about a 37 year old overweight gentleman with a slight history of hypertension? Are they “living in fear” if they don’t want to contract the virus?
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #269 on: May 25, 2020, 11:43:41 PM »
This isn’t super relevant but the OP did not specify age or condition of the person. Yes, it’s reasonable to assume the person is not elderly or immune-compromised but there is a big range between a twenty something perfectly fit strong man in the prime of his health with zero health conditions and a 95 year old man with a weak heart and diabetes. What about a 37 year old overweight gentleman with a slight history of hypertension? Are they “living in fear” if they don’t want to contract the virus?

I have relatives like that, and while I respect their concerns, the necessary accommodations we have to make are extremely frustrating.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #270 on: May 25, 2020, 11:46:01 PM »
I have relatives like that, and while I respect their concerns, the necessary accommodations we have to make are extremely frustrating.
Why do you need to make accommodations for them?
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #271 on: May 25, 2020, 11:46:30 PM »
{citation needed}
Sorry, I can't sit thru all your posts now.
What about a 37 year old overweight gentleman with a slight history of hypertension? Are they “living in fear” if they don’t want to contract the virus?
This person has something to legitimately worry about, he should definitely speak to his dr. and rabbi before letting his guard down.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #273 on: May 25, 2020, 11:49:06 PM »
I have relatives like that, and while I respect their concerns, the necessary accommodations we have to make are extremely frustrating.
It might help to stop for a minute and appreciate that you are not in their situation. idk.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #274 on: May 25, 2020, 11:49:44 PM »
Why do you need to make accommodations for them?

I run errands for them, and everything needs to be doused in Clorox, I need to sanitize my hands every time I open the car door, etc.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #275 on: May 25, 2020, 11:50:13 PM »
I think you are grossly underestimating how many people are considered to be having pre existing conditions.
Especially in our community, where fitness and health isn't a major priority (for the most part).

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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #276 on: May 25, 2020, 11:50:38 PM »
It might help to stop for a minute and appreciate that you are not in their situation. idk.

That's all fine and well, but they're freaking out a whole lot more than many other people I know who have common health issues.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #277 on: May 25, 2020, 11:51:56 PM »
Sorry, I can't sit thru all your posts now.
Don’t blame you ;)

Tbh, you hurled an accusation so you should need to either find a post where I said that or take it back. PUOSU. I’ll try to find what I said somewhere, but spoiler: I never said that. I merely argued that the effect of a non lockdown (where presumably many more people would be hospitalized and die) can have equally devastating mental health effects (exactly what I’m saying now) and it is therefore a wash unless you can provide evidence that one would have more damage.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #278 on: May 25, 2020, 11:52:39 PM »
At this point even if there was a flare up of ten people you are dealing with a frum community that was as about as exposed as it could be around purim.
Ignores that 5% of people are spreading 80% of infections and why so many here have just one spouse with IgG.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #279 on: May 25, 2020, 11:52:50 PM »
Sorry but the data you referenced does not support your statement
Reread what I wrote and what you posted :)
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