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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #300 on: May 26, 2020, 11:44:07 AM »
In summation: You misread the chart, misled, accused me of doing exactly that, and then refused to admit it when called out. Got it.
Nobody misread the chart. We misread your post because we didn't imagine that you would create a super-demographic to try to spin the story your way. We thought you were working with the demographics on that website.

The point remains that, that 16% (65+) of the population had over 40% of the hospitalizations.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #301 on: May 26, 2020, 11:45:24 AM »
The point remains that that 16% (65+) of the population had over 40% of the hospitalizations.
Based on typical reporting that if only affects older people, that's a surprisingly low percentage of hospitalizations.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #302 on: May 26, 2020, 11:52:09 AM »
Based on typical reporting that if only affects older people, that's a surprisingly low percentage of hospitalizations.
Once you move the dividing age down to 50 it shows a much different story.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #303 on: May 26, 2020, 11:54:19 AM »
Once you move the dividing age down to 50 it shows a much different story.
Sure, but who considers people in their 50s "old"
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #304 on: May 26, 2020, 11:55:20 AM »
My point was that many many younger people contracted serious illness. If most will ride out their illness at home that just drives my point home further.. in no way was my statement misleading. I very clearly stated that. A very significant number of people 18-49 are being hospitalized. No, it’s not “negligible”. They make up a large percentage of total hospitalizations.

I agree and have been pretty vocal about it. I just think that in the name of intellectual honesty, we should maybe be clearer about what defines older and younger, even if the stats look better by using the 65+ cut-off. The narrative of 50+ being higher risk is pretty much the standard now.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #305 on: May 26, 2020, 11:55:41 AM »
Sure, but who considers people in their 50s "old"
As far as policy goes it depends not on labels but on risks for each age group.
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« Reply #306 on: May 26, 2020, 12:02:19 PM »
Sure, but who considers people in their 50s "old"

Not "old" per se, but I'm definitely less surprised to hear about medical issues in people in their 50's versus people in their 40's, especially when you look at the comorbidities that seem to make this virus more lethal.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #307 on: May 26, 2020, 12:05:04 PM »
He didn't say that tens of thousands of young people died. But you got me curious, so here's a stat I found.
Approximately 4% of NYC deaths were under age 44. If extrapolated to the US, that's 4k deaths. If extrapolated to the world, that's 14k deaths.
How many of those 4k in the US or 14k worldwide were "healthy" and how many had preexisting conditions?
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #308 on: May 26, 2020, 12:06:25 PM »
Not "old" per se, but I'm definitely less surprised to hear about medical issues in people in their 50's versus people in their 40's, especially when you look at the comorbidities that seem to make this virus more lethal.
Is there anywhere that the numbers are broken up more finely than these?
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« Reply #309 on: May 26, 2020, 12:06:34 PM »
Not "old" per se, but I'm definitely less surprised to hear about medical issues in people in their 50's versus people in their 40's, especially when you look at the comorbidities that seem to make this virus more lethal.
But 24% of total hospitalizations were people in their 40s or lower!! There were almost as many 18-49 as 50-64!
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #310 on: May 26, 2020, 12:08:46 PM »
But 24% of total hospitalizations were people in their 40s or lower!! There were almost as many 18-49 as 50-64!
There are 3x as many people in the 18-49 age bracket as the 50-64 age bracket.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #311 on: May 26, 2020, 12:10:21 PM »
There are 3x as many people in the 18-49 age bracket as the 50-64 age bracket.
Also they were much more likely to be less careful to avoid catching it and the number of infections was likely much higher than even that.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #312 on: May 26, 2020, 12:10:34 PM »
Nobody misread the chart. We misread your post because we didn't imagine that you would create a super-demographic to try to spin the story your way. We thought you were working with the demographics on that website.

The point remains that, that 16% (65+) of the population had over 40% of the hospitalizations.
I noticed you deleted your post. Do you regret that now?

I literally was making the point that it’s *also* a threat for younger people. NOBODY ever insinuated that it’s as dangerous for young people as it is for old, or even close. My point was VERY CLEARLY that the risk to younger people is not negligible and my wording was VERY PRECISE. You’re doubling down on something you obviously already regretted. Sure you want to go there?

There was not one word in my post that was misleading or in accurate in the slightest (that I’m aware of). If you disagree, please point to it. Again, PUOSU.
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« Reply #313 on: May 26, 2020, 12:11:47 PM »
There are 3x as many people in the 18-49 age bracket as the 50-64 age bracket.
Also they were much more likely to be less careful to avoid catching it and the number of infections was likely much higher than even that.
Both good points. Both don’t contradict my premise. The risk to the young is NOT “negligible”.

ETA: @avromie7 Is it safe to say you were surprised to see that and are trying to find a reason for why it might not be true?
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #314 on: May 26, 2020, 12:12:54 PM »
Both good points. Both don’t contradict my premise. The risk to the young is NOT “negligible”.
I will speak only for myself, but I have been very clear that I don't consider the risk to be negligible for them.
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« Reply #315 on: May 26, 2020, 12:14:55 PM »
But 24% of total hospitalizations were people in their 40s or lower!! There were almost as many 18-49 as 50-64!

One is a group covering 30 years, and the other 15 years. And there are still more hospitalizations in the 50-64 than 18-49. The point is, if you are over 50, you are higher risk. If you are under 50, you are by no means "safe" or "immune" and should definitely be taking precautions to make sure you don't get sick. Under 50 still accounts for about a quarter of all hospitalizations, and I think we can all agree that under 50's are less likely to go to the hospital unless things have gotten bad or that have other underlying issues.

My point is, setting the line at 50 does not take away from the severity of the situation for the people you're trying to convince to take this seriously. Setting it over 50 (at 65) may make them disregard the severity.
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« Reply #316 on: May 26, 2020, 12:14:57 PM »
The point remains that, that 16% (65+) of the population had over 40% of the hospitalizations.
The point remains, some of the chart was green and some was red.

Who was making or debating that point?
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« Reply #317 on: May 26, 2020, 12:15:40 PM »
Is there anywhere that the numbers are broken up more finely than these?

Not that I've seen, but I haven't looked very hard.
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« Reply #318 on: May 26, 2020, 12:17:11 PM »
Per the CDC, there have been more COVID patients hospitalized between 18-64 than 65+. Almost half of those are 49 or younger.

“preexisting conditions” aren’t always known prior, and obesity is considered a significant comorbidity.
This was my original post. If anybody feels there was anything misleading feel free to call it out factually.
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Re: yeshivas that are open
« Reply #319 on: May 26, 2020, 12:18:33 PM »
Anyone have any updates on yeshivas for older guys operating in NY or NJ?