Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition

[Dan]

A vaccine allows anyone concerned to get one and be done when of the person next to them is infected. Without mask mandates they are stuck.

In between dose 1 and dose 2?

[aygart]

In between dose 1 and dose 2?

So will they allow people to fly between doses or not? Either they can catch it and are a risk to others or they can't and have nothing to worry about. The only point would be for the 10%

[aygart]

If the vaccines work 70% or they wane off it would make a huge difference how many people are vaccinated.

Overall in the world? Absolutely. For the business of an airline? Not so much.

[PlatinumGuy]

Overall in the world? Absolutely. For the business of an airline? Not so much.

If vaccines are less than 90% effective many people will choose an airline that mandates vaccines over one that doesn't.

Most importantly, airlines are going to need bailout for a while, and requiring vaccines will give them a much better excuse for needing government money.

[zh cohen]

Most importantly, airlines are going to need bailout for a while, and requiring vaccines will give them a much better excuse for needing government money.

This is one of the reasons it's silly to pretend that it will be "free market capitalism" that will cause companies to mandate vaccines.

[PlatinumGuy]

This is one of the reasons it's silly to pretend that it will be "free market capitalism" that will cause companies to mandate vaccines.

Good thing SCOTUS already ruled the government itself can fully mandate vaccinations and the argument is moot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

[zh cohen]

Good thing SCOTUS already ruled the government itself can fully mandate vaccinations and the argument is moot.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

I'm not saying the government can't mandate, I'm responding to those pretending that will be the free market that creates those mandates.

[S209]

I'm not saying the government can't mandate, I'm responding to those pretending that will be the free market that creates those mandates.

While it’s not guaranteed, what makes you think I’m pretending when I say I believe it? I’m talking about good old fashioned capitalism, the same mechanism that prevents you from traveling without a shirt.

[zh cohen]

While it’s not guaranteed, what makes you think I’m pretending when I say I believe it? I’m talking about good old fashioned capitalism, the same mechanism that prevents you from traveling without a shirt.

Sorry for my choice of words. My point is that "good old fashioned capitalism" does not exist in the airline (and other) industry.

[Randomex]

While it might be capitalism* that allows them to do it, what businesses attempt to enforce is what they believe the
majority of potential customers want - it's just society's opinion, or at least public perception of it, being enforced.

(*If the government denied businesses the right to refuse service to the unvaccinated, it would still fall within capitalism.)

[yuneeq]

He's claiming the government won't forbid anything and the businesses will exercise their Capitalist rights and interest to only serve people who are vaccinating.

Had a conversation with a friend who is on the fence whether he would take the vaccine. I told him good luck traveling to China any time soon without getting vaccinated. It quickly became a no brainer decision for him.

There will be many other places that will mandate it and make it a simple decision especially after many already have taken it.

[yuneeq]

I think people are underestimating the amount of places or business that will convince people to vaccinate, ignore airlines and schools for a minute.

You want to work in healthcare? Get vaccinated and we’ll hire you.
Want to visit your parents in the nursing home or your wife that gave birth? Get vaccinated.
Kid wants to join sports league? Get vaccinated.
Want to stop working remotely or work without your mask on? Get vaccinated.
Want to visit Israel, or any destination where the government requires vaccination? Get vaccinated. Want to take your kids to sky zone for chol hamoed? Get vaccinated.
Want to go a popular specialist or give birth with a great OBGYN? Get vaccinated.
And etc.

In regards to polls that claim up to 55% won’t vaccinate, we all know polls are meaningless but this time especially so. They’re asking people if they would take a currently unproven, unapproved vaccine with unknown safety risks, of course many people will say no. But offer them a proven, approved vaccine that’s safe and hundreds of millions already took over the last 9 months, including many friends and family members; many people will definitely change their mind. Much more so if there’s any incentive to do so as I listed above.

[AsherO]

Want to stop working remotely

I don’t think there are too many people in this category.

[yuneeq]

I don’t think there are too many people in this category.

Not many people working remotely or not many want to stop doing so? Either way, the numbers says otherwise. Only 35% want to continue working remotely.

"33% say they are "always" working remotely, down from 51% in April...Nearly two-thirds of U.S. workers who have been working remotely during the pandemic would like to continue to do so. In all, 35% of those who have worked remotely would simply prefer to do so while 30% would like to do so because of a concern about COVID-19. Another 35% say they would like to return to working at their office."
https://news.gallup.com/poll/321800/covid-remote-work-update.aspx

[aygart]

I think people are underestimating the amount of places or business that will convince people to vaccinate, ignore airlines and schools for a minute.

You want to work in healthcare? Get vaccinated and we’ll hire you.
Want to visit your parents in the nursing home or your wife that gave birth? Get vaccinated.
Kid wants to join sports league? Get vaccinated.
Want to stop working remotely or work without your mask on? Get vaccinated.
Want to visit Israel, or any destination where the government requires vaccination? Get vaccinated. Want to take your kids to sky zone for chol hamoed? Get vaccinated.
Want to go a popular specialist or give birth with a great OBGYN? Get vaccinated.
And etc.

In regards to polls that claim up to 55% won’t vaccinate, we all know polls are meaningless but this time especially so. They’re asking people if they would take a currently unproven, unapproved vaccine with unknown safety risks, of course many people will say no. But offer them a proven, approved vaccine that’s safe and hundreds of millions already took over the last 9 months, including many friends and family members; many people will definitely change their mind. Much more so if there’s any incentive to do so as I listed above.

Why would all these places require it?

[PlatinumGuy]

https://twitter.com/jhuber/status/1336919523572633603?s=21

Make America Great Again

[yuneeq]

Why would all these places require it?

1. Because even with a vaccine, not everyone will be able to take it, and it's not effective for everyone
2. Perhaps the vaccine will not last long enough for some people
3. Get rid of liability issue
4. They want people to vaccinate and they aren't losing any business from it
5. It will be better for business
6. It will make employees feel safer
etc.

Not saying all these places will require it, but I can see many of them doing so.

[ExGingi]

https://www.cnn.com/travel/amp/china-civil-aviation-administration-coronavirus-guidance-intl-hnk/index.html

[PlatinumGuy]

https://www.cnn.com/travel/amp/china-civil-aviation-administration-coronavirus-guidance-intl-hnk/index.html

Unbelievable

[ExGingi]

Unbelievable

It's 2020. That word has been canceled!

P.S.
You've got yourself a nice like count.