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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #827 on: November 19, 2020, 08:40:25 PM »
USA TODAY: COVID-19 vaccines are almost ready to be distributed. Who gets them after health care workers? Here's a list..
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/11/19/covid-19-vaccines-who-gets-coronavirus-immunization-first/3778098001/

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #831 on: November 22, 2020, 09:03:23 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2020/11/20/new-zealand-flight-covid/

Almost blasphemous

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“transmission events occurred despite reported use of masks and gloves in-flight,” and that stringent masking was required by the airline operating the flight.

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Freedman points out that the flight length might have impacted masking: “It would have been really hard for people to keep their masks on for the entire 18 hours.”

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #832 on: November 22, 2020, 09:07:49 PM »
Almost blasphemous

But then came

Now if anyone cares for honesty, find out the results of the Satmar wedding.
Actually, with somebody on the plane who was known to be during his fleeting contagious period, only 7/86 people got it. Precautionary efforts were wildly successful. During 18 hours they must've removed their masks for eating and etc.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #833 on: November 22, 2020, 09:25:28 PM »
Actually, with somebody on the plane who was known to be during his fleeting contagious period, only 7/86 people got it. Precautionary efforts were wildly successful. During 18 hours they must've removed their masks for eating and etc.

Satmar wedding had how many people with masks? Indoor singing. How many infections?
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #834 on: November 22, 2020, 09:26:49 PM »
Actually, with somebody on the plane who was known to be during his fleeting contagious period, only 7/86 people got it. Precautionary efforts were wildly successful. During 18 hours they must've removed their masks for eating and etc.

The article says the pre-symptomatic passenger infected 4 other people and then goes on to say that 7 cases in total were linked to the flight. I'm just wondering why they are differentiating? Were 4 people infected and then they infected another 3 or were 7 people directly  infected by the original passenger?

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #835 on: November 22, 2020, 09:34:18 PM »
Satmar wedding had how many people with masks? Indoor singing. How many infections?
Do you claim to have data?

The article says the pre-symptomatic passenger infected 4 other people and then goes on to say that 7 cases in total were linked to the flight. I'm just wondering why they are differentiating? Were 4 people infected and then they infected another 3 or were 7 people directly  infected by the original passenger?
My understanding is 4 have very similar genome which makes it extremely likely 3 of them contacted it from the 4th on the plane (they would have nothing in common with each other prior to the plane), the other 3 may have been in contact with the linked 4 cases in the hotel after the flight, or their viral genome is simply inconclusive enough, so it's possible they got on the plane from the same pax or they were already infected prior to the plane ride but didn't transmit it to anybody,
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #836 on: November 22, 2020, 09:38:53 PM »

My understanding is 4 have very similar genome which makes it extremely likely 3 of them contacted it from the 4th on the plane (they would have nothing in common with each other prior to the plane), the other 3 may have been in contact with the linked 4 cases in the hotel after the flight, or their viral genome is simply inconclusive enough, so it's possible they got on the plane from the same pax or they were already infected prior to the plane ride but didn't transmit it to anybody,

Thanks.

Interesting stuff. Your last sentence that there were those who may have not spread to others reinforces the super spreader theory held by some.

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #837 on: November 22, 2020, 09:46:56 PM »
Thanks.

Interesting stuff. Your last sentence that there were those who may have not spread to others reinforces the super spreader theory held by some.
I think the super spreader theory is pretty well documented and not disputed, what's yet to be conclusive is the cause. However, it is definitely well established that people only transmit virus for a very limited time, be it 12h or 5 days. Remember the White House? Everybody tested daily, but every day new cases were found from the original cluster.

While it's easy to spot the holes in the net, global precautionary methods are phenomenal. In previous respiratory epidemics 50m+ died. We are at 1-3m so far. Yes modern medicine saved some, but likely no more than a few mil. Science is incredible. Politics are horrendous.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #838 on: November 22, 2020, 09:48:03 PM »
Do you claim to have data?

I don't think he does (if yes, he can correct me). But looking at the data from the past 10 to 14 days for the zip codes the attendees most likely came from, there doesn't seem to be any noticeable spike (which I've already mentioned and questioned in the other thread).

And I think his point is that 7/86 = 8%+ rate with precautions and by the wedding there were obviously none (ETA, meaning no precautions, I can't say if there were no cases). They also obviously didn't test everyone before and after so there is no data to analyze other than what people will tell you anecdotally which is that they probably didn't see any cases or if yes, none were serious.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #839 on: November 22, 2020, 09:50:32 PM »
Remember the White House? Everybody tested daily, but every day new cases were found from the original cluster.

How did they know it was the original cluster? They also tested the DNA like in the New Zealand study or they had another way of verifying?

Politics are horrendous.

You can say that again  >:(.