Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition

[ExGingi]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-06/trials-and-tribulations-point-to-ways-to-save-covid-patients?srnd=premium

[ExGingi]

Plenty of countries flattened it, the US is failing miserably. Stating it's inevitable when a vaccine is around the corner is idiocy.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-06/fauci-says-he-assumes-any-vaccine-will-offer-finite-protection?in_source=postr_story_3

So the "vaccine around the corner" (which I am still skeptic about) isn't expected to provide better protection than naturally occurring antibodies.

Someone is being somewhat honest. My guess is that if they figured out how to lower the mortality rate, they'd stop with all the vaccine talk. Wait, haven't we seen that playbook before? Did they find an HIV vaccine, or did they just learn how to let people live with it? And back in the 80s (and possibly early 90s) they were handing out "equipment" to reduce the spread which was mostly limited to people that engaged in certain behaviors. Yet at this point they won't go the Singapore route and provide usable masks to everyone that's at risk.

[Dan]

So the "vaccine around the corner" (which I am still skeptic about) isn't expected to provide better protection than naturally occurring antibodies.

Not what the article says. He says we might need a boost for continued protection, just as many vaccines do.

Did they find an HIV vaccine, or did they just learn how to let people live with it?

This isn't HIV. At all.

[ExGingi]

Not what the article says. He says we might need a boost for continued protection, just as many vaccines do.

And some people voluntarily forgo flu shots (not talking about anti-vaxers). And back in the 1970s they gave a Mantoux test to see if one needs a TB vaccine.

This isn't HIV. At all.

You're absolutely right. It's much more politicized (and MUCH LESS DEADLY than HIV was 9 months after it was discovered). And unlike HIV for which there is no known cure, just a management regimen, for most people the immune system manages to fight off covid-19 with no (known) long-term effects.

Do you remember the 1980s?

[Yard sale]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/herd-immunity-may-be-closer-than-you-think-11594076237?mod=mhp

[ExGingi]

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-07-08/covid-19-how-to-weigh-the-market-risks-kccu3uyp

[ExGingi]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-06/fauci-says-he-assumes-any-vaccine-will-offer-finite-protection?in_source=postr_story_3

So the "vaccine around the corner" (which I am still skeptical about) isn't expected to provide better protection than naturally occurring antibodies.

Someone is being somewhat honest. My guess is that if they figured out how to lower the mortality rate, they'd stop with all the vaccine talk. Wait, haven't we seen that playbook before? Did they find an HIV vaccine, or did they just learn how to let people live with it? And back in the 80s (and possibly early 90s) they were handing out "equipment" to reduce the spread which was mostly limited to people that engaged in certain behaviors. Yet at this point they won't go the Singapore route and provide usable masks to everyone that's at risk.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/opinions/covid-19-treatment-reason-for-hope-haseltine/index.html

While it may be possible to deliver a vaccine by the end of this year, absolutely every step of its development would have to go perfectly. From experience, I can tell you how rare that is.

But even without a vaccine, there is reason for hope that a medical solution to the crisis will soon be at hand. It will likely take the form of anti-Covid drugs that will be able to treat patients newly infected and prevent others from becoming ill.

[Dan]

Never in the history of mankind has this many resources (brainpower+money) been thrown at a vaccine.
Something being "rare" is meaningless for this.

[Ergel]

Never in the history of mankind has this many resources (brainpower+money) been thrown at a vaccine.
Something being "rare" is meaningless for this.

Yup, and it's not like there is only 2 or 3 vaccine candidates for which "absolutely every step of its development would have to go perfectly". There are literally tens of them, even if things don't go perfectly on 98% of them, that still leaves candidates that are viable

[ExGingi]

Never in the history of mankind has this many resources (brainpower+money) been thrown at a vaccine.
Something being "rare" is meaningless for this.

There are certain things that cannot be accelerated no matter how much money is spent.

[Dan]

There are certain things that cannot be accelerated no matter how much money is spent.

And yet, they're already moving to stage 3.
Most of the reason for lengthy vaccine development time is ruinous financial risk. With billions being thrown at this, that risk has been removed.

[ExGingi]

And yet, they're already moving to stage 3.
Most of the reason for lengthy vaccine development time is ruinous financial risk. With billions being thrown at this, that risk has been removed.

How about longer term efficacy and safety?

[Dan]

How about longer term efficacy and safety?

We'll see what the efficacy is as time goes on, but even something that needs a booster or only lasts a year is still worthwhile.
Safety will have a 6 month study by the time something is ready.

[Euclid]

How about longer term efficacy and safety?

For someone who has no concern of even long term effects of Covid-19, why would you be concerned about the safety of the vaccine?

[ExGingi]

For someone who has no concern of even long term effects of Covid-19, why would you be concerned about the safety of the vaccine?

Who said I'm concerned?

[aygart]

For someone who has no concern of even long term effects of Covid-19, why would you be concerned about the safety of the vaccine?

Because one is already too late to do anything about?

[Euclid]

Because one is already too late to do anything about?

That's assuming getting it a second time won't exacerbate and/or cause additional long term effects.

[mgarfin]

https://www.jta.org/2020/07/08/health/brooklyns-hasidic-jews-are-acting-like-they-have-herd-immunity-could-they-be-right/amp?

[ExGingi]

https://www.jta.org/2020/07/08/health/brooklyns-hasidic-jews-are-acting-like-they-have-herd-immunity-could-they-be-right/amp?

This needs some national attention IMHO.

[mgarfin]

This needs some national attention IMHO.

Article quotes Rabbi doctor Glatt saying "statistically it’s worth zero"
That gives us some explanation why some don't want to research this and come up with new thoughts and ideas.
Some are just locked in to a mindset.

Yes we know statistically this isn't properly done.
But we also know that there is no cases of coved-19 in the despite being fully open for weeks.

Rather than saying this is worth zero try studying it and come up with an explanation and can use that to implement in other scenario