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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #380 on: July 08, 2020, 11:53:14 PM »
Article quotes Rabbi doctor Glatt saying "statistically it’s worth zero"
That gives us some explanation why some don't want to research this and come up with new thoughts and ideas.
Some are just locked in to a mindset.

Yes we know statistically this isn't properly done.
But we also know that there is no cases of coved-19 in the despite being fully open for weeks.

Rather than saying this is worth zero try studying it and come up with an explanation and can use that to implement in other scenario

I believe he's saying it's worth zero because if you can get reinfected, then there is no herd immunity (other than for maybe a few months at a time).
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #381 on: July 09, 2020, 12:00:18 AM »
I believe he's saying it's worth zero because if you can get reinfected, then there is no herd immunity (other than for maybe a few months at a time).

Despite what you believe, that's not what the article says. It is rather what @mgarfin explained, that based on objective scientific approaches, the data cannot be relied upon.

Well, as @mgarfin pointed out, while it doesn't fit the standards, it might still be worth investigating. Though that might be futile, as this virus just keeps on proving that no one understands anything.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #382 on: July 09, 2020, 12:06:54 AM »
Despite what you believe, that's not what the article says. It is rather what @mgarfin explained, that based on objective scientific approaches, the data cannot be relied upon.

Well, as @mgarfin pointed out, while it doesn't fit the standards, it might still be worth investigating. Though that might be futile, as this virus just keeps on proving that no one understands anything.
It will also be worth investigating that the community is seeing reinfections. So far we have (at least) 1 in CH, 2 in Deal. These may be the first confirmed reinfections globally.

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #383 on: July 09, 2020, 04:15:37 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-antibodies.html

No one would resist starting off such an article talking about the neighborhood of Corona in Queens.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #385 on: July 09, 2020, 10:27:43 PM »
It will also be worth investigating that the community is seeing reinfections. So far we have (at least) 1 in CH, 2 in Deal. These may be the first confirmed reinfections globally.

Interestingly that a Dr that is a vocal opponent to reopening had this happen within his practice

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #386 on: July 10, 2020, 02:01:36 AM »
It will also be worth investigating that the community is seeing reinfections. So far we have (at least) 1 in CH, 2 in Deal. These may be the first confirmed reinfections globally.
And how, pray tell, do you know they are reinfections and not relapse flare-ups?
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #387 on: July 10, 2020, 05:12:11 AM »
And how, pray tell, do you know they are reinfections and not relapse flare-ups?

Dr. Ditchek says that he saw 2 patients today who've been reinfected even though they've had antibodies (one donated plasma twice).
Watch the video for more details about additional cases.
I personally do not know, but see the above thread starting from this post for more.

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #388 on: July 10, 2020, 07:31:12 AM »
Cover article in this week’s Voice of Lakewood is about travel during COVID. It quotes Frum United pilot from Deal. You can read it online by clicking on the issue http://thevoiceoflakewood.com/

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #389 on: July 10, 2020, 09:27:16 AM »
And how, pray tell, do you know they are reinfections and not relapse flare-ups?

We don't know yet. However, given that the average coronavirus confers immunity for 3-6 months, and we have no history of coronaviruses laying dormant and then flaring up randomly, it is logical to lean towards new infection vs flare-up. Then again, this is a novel coronavirus, so maybe unusual answers are the right ones.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #390 on: July 10, 2020, 09:28:43 AM »
we have no history of coronaviruses laying dormant and then flaring up randomly
Plenty of documented cases. I believe Dan himself suffered a likely relapse. 130+ in Korea.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #391 on: July 10, 2020, 09:33:06 AM »
Plenty of documented cases. I believe Dan himself suffered a likely relapse. 130+ in Korea.

Korea they attributed to dead cells. Flare-ups of symptoms within weeks is one thing. Symptoms and positive PCR tests months later is quite another.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #392 on: July 10, 2020, 12:53:34 PM »
Korea they attributed to dead cells. Flare-ups of symptoms within weeks is one thing. Symptoms and positive PCR tests months later is quite another.
Especially when household members (one in CH and one in Deal) test positive as well.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #395 on: July 10, 2020, 05:34:14 PM »
@YitzyS can you get your marketing team to promote this?

That California should get trashed, too? Or that if you handle things with humility, you won't get panned like DeSean Jackson celebrating early and dropping the ball on the one?
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #396 on: July 10, 2020, 06:29:07 PM »
That California should get trashed, too? Or that if you handle things with humility, you won't get panned like DeSean Jackson celebrating early and dropping the ball on the one?
Both? Ca definitely deserves to be trashed and let's raise the alarm to make sure the tragedy doesn't continue!
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #397 on: July 12, 2020, 11:38:38 AM »
We'll see what the efficacy is as time goes on, but even something that needs a booster or only lasts a year is still worthwhile.
Safety will have a 6 month study by the time something is ready.

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/7/12/21321653/getting-covid-19-twice-reinfection-antibody-herd-immunity

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In general, the unknowns of immune responses to SARS-CoV-2 currently outweigh the knowns. We do not know how much immunity to expect once someone is infected with the virus, we do not know how long that immunity may last, and we do not know how many antibodies are needed to mount an effective response. And although there is some hope regarding cellular immunity (including T-cell responses) in the absence of a durable antibody response, the early evidence of reinfections puts the effectiveness of these immune responses in question as well.
I would FTFH to point that it's not only the unknowns of the immune responses, but of almost any aspect of COVID-19.

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Last, if reinfection is possible on such a short timeline, there are implications for the efficacy and durability of vaccines developed to fight the disease.

Always follow the money trail. It's leads to the vaccines, regardless if that's the most sensible approach or use of resources.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #398 on: July 12, 2020, 12:00:27 PM »
Article in this week's Voice of Lakewood about flying during COVID, includes quotes with Deal-based frum pilot Charlie Dadoun.

http://thevoiceoflakewood.com/3dissue/070920/index.html#

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