Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition

[ExGingi]

That was so obvious and I have been saying this for months already.

Indeed. Along with others who have been trying to sound the "don't expect a vaccine any time soon, we need to figure out how this plays out" message.

But it seems like this might be a feature of Millennialism (not sure if that's an actual term, but I'm sure you know what I mean), no exit strategy is required (not to mention a plan B, C, or D, but even a simple straightforward exit plan that might or might not work). Just ask the FED, or for that matter anyone in Washington, DC (or any other government, other than some totalitarian, or semi-totalitarian regimes such as Iran, China, Turkey, Russia, etc.)

[yaakov35]

That was so obvious and I have been saying this for months already.

Yup, and why its backfiring majorly now... "Stay home and save lives" for 4 months, now you come out and its like sorry we messed up so you need to do it again. Its out of control.

[aygart]

Yup, and why its backfiring majorly now... "Stay home and save lives" for 4 months, now you come out and its like sorry we messed up so you need to do it again. Its out of control.

Yup but at the end of the day it will be those who have total diregard who will be the ones causing a new lockdown regime.

[yaakov35]

Yup but at the end of the day it will be those who have total diregard who will be the ones causing a new lockdown regime.

But who can blame them, 4 months of lockdown with no game plan. First it was flatten the curve, once it got flattened turns out it doesn't stay flat. Now its we can't open gyms because 7 people in the entire country tested positive at one. We're in a really tough spot.

[biobook]

Good question. It might be a hunch, it might be something in the style and content. IINM he hasn't been shy to acknowledge shortcomings and lack of knowledge. I pick up bits and pieces from many places. I don't read newspapers or watch TV. Google News, Bloomberg.com, Twitter, and some Jewish Websites (DDF being one of them) are my news/information feeds. I tend to doubt anything that sounds like it has the absolute grasp of facts or truth.

So what did you mean by: "Would I be wrong if I said that most MSM COVID-19 studies/facts/science/etc. is holding onto straws for confirmation bias?"
Aren't you using MSM to refer to Mainstream Media, such as newspapers and TV news shows?
And isn't Google News just linking to various newspaper and TV news stories?

[ExGingi]

And isn't Google News just linking to various newspaper and TV news stories?

They are. And I mostly just scan through the headlines or summaries, and in the rare occasion that I see something that I think might be interesting, I actually click on it.

[biobook]

They are. And I mostly just scan through the headlines or summaries, and in the rare occasion that I see something that I think might be interesting, I actually click on it.

So if you're not in the habit of reading them, why do you denigrate them?  And why do you think Dr Griffin is any more reliable than the experts who write or are quoted in the newspapers and TV news?

[aygart]

But who can blame them, 4 months of lockdown with no game plan. First it was flatten the curve, once it got flattened turns out it doesn't stay flat. Now its we can't open gyms because 7 people in the entire country tested positive at one. We're in a really tough spot.

I absolutely would b blame someone who doesn't take responsibility for his own actions just because some stupid politician was incompetent.

[Ergel]

Right on the ball!

It seems clear to me that the lack of ability to quickly adjust to the facts on the ground will lead to lives lost. Still acting in NY like it's March and the virus is rampant is going to kill people, because by the time the virus God forbid returns, people will be sick and tired of all of this. If instead they had 5 months of relative normalcy with reasonable precautions (with trust being built by gov't) then if there is a need to go back to more restrictive protocols, it would have been much easier for people and more likely to follow. Instead people won't trust, will be totally fatigued and Chalilah lives will be lost.

[Jeremiah]

https://americanmind.org/essays/the-covid-coup/

There was a link to this article. Quite a game changer.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html
Just a little "science"

[ExGingi]

There was a link to this article. Quite a game changer.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html
Just a little "science"

That was the science du jour more than a month ago.

Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says
PUBLISHED MON, JUN 8 20201:05 PM EDT
UPDATED WED, JUN 10 20202:17 PM EDT

Is it still considered science? Or was it relegated to right wing, Trump supporters, Bolsonaro followers, conspiracy theory status by now?

[Jeremiah]

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-07-16/how-fast-do-asymptomatic-covid-19-cases-spread-coronavirus
Apparently it's still controversial

[Euclid]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/19/health/coronavirus-premature-birth.html

[S209]

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-07-16/how-fast-do-asymptomatic-covid-19-cases-spread-coronavirus
Apparently it's still controversial

It is nearly fully established science that people without current symptoms are responsible for the majority of the spread.

[ExGingi]

It is nearly fully established science that people without current symptoms are responsible for the majority of the spread.

(current) Source?

[S209]

(current) Source?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

[ExGingi]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

And where do you read there that

It is nearly fully established science that people without current symptoms are responsible for the majority of the spread.

Rather than:

The relative infectiousness of asymptomatic cases to symptomatic cases remains highly uncertain as asymptomatic cases are difficult to identify and transmission is difficult to observe and quantify. The estimates for relative infectiousness are assumptions based on studies of viral shedding dynamics. The upper bound of this estimate reflects studies that have shown similar durations of viral shedding between symptomatic and asymptomatic cases: Zou L, Ruan F, Huang M, et al. SARS-CoV-2 Viral Load in Upper Respiratory Specimens of Infected Patients. N Engl J Med. 2020;382(12):1177-1179; and Zhou R, Li F, Chen F, et al. Viral dynamics in asymptomatic patients with COVID-19 [published online ahead of print, 2020 May 11]. Int J Infect Dis. 2020; 96:288-290. The lower bound of this estimate reflects data indicating that viral loads are higher in severe cases relative to mild cases (Liu Y, Yan LM, Wan L, et al. Viral dynamics in mild and severe cases of COVID-19. Lancet Infect Dis. 2020;20(6):656-657) and data showing that viral loads and shedding durations are higher among symptomatic cases relative to asymptomatic cases (Noh JY, Yoon JG, Seong H, et al. Asymptomatic infection and atypical manifestations of COVID-19: Comparison of viral shedding duration [published online ahead of print, 2020 May 21]. J Infect. 2020; S0163-4453(20)30310-8). The current best estimate is an assumption.

[S209]

And where do you read there that

Rather than:

That would be the part where I said

current symptoms

I have previously discussed with you the difference between presymptomatic and asymptomatic so you should be able to see what I mean.

[Jeremiah]

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
It's about mask used to prevent flu so not sure how it relates to covid. But it's still interesting

[ExGingi]

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
It's about mask used to prevent flu so not sure how it relates to covid. But it's still interesting

I just read the abstract, and it appears totally blasphemous! I wonder how long before the thought police finds out.