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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #600 on: August 31, 2020, 04:50:29 PM »
The formatting is messed up. Does anyone have the original letter?
+1, and its wayyyy to long.

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #601 on: August 31, 2020, 04:51:56 PM »

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #602 on: August 31, 2020, 04:58:16 PM »
https://nypost.com/2020/08/31/94-of-americans-who-died-from-covid-19-had-contributing-conditions/
Definitely not a full picture, interesting nonetheless.
Oh my gosh, they had pneumonia and respiratory failure in addition to COVID! INSANE!!!
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #603 on: August 31, 2020, 05:09:14 PM »
https://matzav.com/exposing-the-lies-weve-been-told-about-covid-shutting-shuls-supposed-upticks-and-more/

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Key Takeaways

● The Rabbonim were presented with a false metzius hadevorim leading to decrees that harmed the people spiritually, mentally, emotionally and physically.

● There is no grounds in Torah, science or medicine for the decrees against Judaism and normal human interaction and destruction of livelihoods. It must be rejected. Every human is essential and all efforts to make a living are essential.

● The selection of people as essential and non-essential is a decree with deadly consequences and implications, right now.

● The planned Second Wave is being used to implement greater and far more destructive decrees, Chas V’Shalom.

● It is false to claim that a halachic ruling can be made while only taking into account one factor and ignoring all other effects of the ruling.

● The public health ideology has co-opted the words of Torah to present itself as the fulfillment of the highest ideals of Judaism, when, in fact, it has replaced Torah, rachmana l’tzlan.

● Only independent health, not health authorities. No health/medical compulsion.

● The non-Jews are suffering greatly also and are our allies, as are the police and health department officials who do not want to become the enforcers of these decrees.

● The Task Force and Medical Committee have no authority and must be dismantled.

● The sakana nafashos from an all-powerful government is many orders of magnitude more deadly than the most deadly virus.

● The people must take immediate and courageous action to preserve their children’s chinuch al taharas hakodesh, protect their shuls from further disgrace, ensure that the in-person study of Torah continues uninterrupted and preserve taharas hamisphacha by building multiple independent mikvaos.

ETA: does anyone know anything about the author? Quick search just pulled up an article from 2011 about gun control being the greatest threat to Jews and America.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #604 on: August 31, 2020, 05:41:55 PM »
ETA: does anyone know anything about the author? Quick search just pulled up an article from 2011 about gun control being the greatest threat to Jews and America.
Would not be surprised if he is an anti-vaxer. One would hope that the people that read it have some intelligence.

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #605 on: August 31, 2020, 05:52:13 PM »
ETA: does anyone know anything about the author? Quick search just pulled up an article from 2011 about gun control being the greatest threat to Jews and America.
E. David Smith. He's a lawyer.

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #606 on: August 31, 2020, 05:53:23 PM »
E. David Smith. He's a lawyer.

So is Harvey Levin.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #607 on: August 31, 2020, 05:54:18 PM »
So is Harvey Levin.
Lol - I meant his profession is law.

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #608 on: August 31, 2020, 05:54:34 PM »
E. David Smith. He's a lawyer.
Rabbi Yitzchok Dovid Smith
Passaic Park, New Jersey
(973) 771–6503
PassaicClarity@gmail.com
Says this on the page.

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #609 on: August 31, 2020, 05:55:25 PM »
Rabbi Yitzchok Dovid Smith
Passaic Park, New Jersey
(973) 771–6503
PassaicClarity@gmail.com
Says this on the page.
Everyone in Lakewood is also a rabbi. Point is he's not part of "rabbonim".

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #610 on: August 31, 2020, 07:17:39 PM »
The formatting is messed up. Does anyone have the original letter?

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #611 on: August 31, 2020, 08:33:59 PM »

Even if one is on DDF all day I can’t imagine anybody bored enough to read this
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #612 on: August 31, 2020, 08:44:41 PM »
Even if one is on DDF all day I can’t imagine anybody bored enough to read this

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #613 on: August 31, 2020, 10:42:34 PM »
ETA: does anyone know anything about the author? Quick search just pulled up an article from 2011 about gun control being the greatest threat to Jews and America.
And all of the rabbonim are just too naive to figureout what he did and how this is just one big huge conspiracy.
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #614 on: August 31, 2020, 10:45:30 PM »
And all of the rabbonim are just too naive to figureout what he did and how this is just one big huge conspiracy.
Speaking of rabbonim, R' Elya Brudny is a must watch on this. He spoke last night at Agudah/Relief virtual event. Talked about Covid, masks, and following rules.


https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=122748

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #615 on: August 31, 2020, 11:23:06 PM »
Speaking of rabbonim, R' Elya Brudny is a must watch on this. He spoke last night at Agudah/Relief virtual event. Talked about Covid, masks, and following rules.


https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=122748
Thanks for the link. Didn't watch the whole thing, but what I heard was excellent

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #616 on: August 31, 2020, 11:38:09 PM »
Speaking of rabbonim, R' Elya Brudny is a must watch on this. He spoke last night at Agudah/Relief virtual event. Talked about Covid, masks, and following rules.


https://www.torahanytime.com/#/lectures?v=122748

He emphasized strongly that the impression we have to give our children is that as part of a civic society we follow rules. We are mask wearers and rule followers, only we make exception when it is not practical or feasible to follow the governments regulations to the point of crossing every T and dotting every I. But to give the impression to our kids (and ourselves) that we lichatchila don’t follow the governments rules and we are not mask wearers is wrong.

I personally find this difficult,  particularly in light of the capricious and arbitrary manner in which the government is drafting and enforcing said rules, but Rav Elya Brudny is not someone to be taken lightly....

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #617 on: August 31, 2020, 11:40:55 PM »
He emphasized strongly that the impression we have to give our children is that as part of a civic society we follow rules. We are mask wearers and rule followers, only we make exception when it is not practical or feasible to follow the governments regulations to the point of crossing every T and dotting every I. But to give the impression to our kids (and ourselves) that we lichatchila don’t follow the governments rules and we are not mask wearers is wrong.

I personally find this difficult,  particularly in light of the capricious and arbitrary manner in which the government is drafting and enforcing said rules, but Rav Elya Brudny is not someone to be taken lightly....
All you have to do is look at other places outside the loony bins of NY/NJ government. Ohio, for example, is basically fully open since may/June, and still has a mask mandate.

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #618 on: August 31, 2020, 11:51:19 PM »
All you have to do is look at other places outside the loony bins of NY/NJ government. Ohio, for example, is basically fully open since may/June, and still has a mask mandate.
Issue really is, that there is no game plane and no end in sight. Masks in the US are not really worn by anyone important so it just gives off mixed vibes. If there was a legitimate game plan I think people would he much more apt to following. The fact that the rules don't apply to anyone in government etc.. just shows its one big joke. Which it is. I t was stay home save lives, people died alone, families couldn't see loved ones, people sick in hospitals alone. All of a sudden that changed with the blm stuff which showed it truly was a joke, and fast forward a few months with no leadership or no direction and welcome to ny sept 2020, 7 months into a pandemic with no game plan.
Atleast fed government has a plan, move on with life and get everyone jobs, local governments don't even have that.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #619 on: September 01, 2020, 12:08:02 AM »
Issue really is, that there is no game plane and no end in sight. Masks in the US are not really worn by anyone important so it just gives off mixed vibes. If there was a legitimate game plan I think people would he much more apt to following. The fact that the rules don't apply to anyone in government etc.. just shows its one big joke. Which it is. I t was stay home save lives, people died alone, families couldn't see loved ones, people sick in hospitals alone. All of a sudden that changed with the blm stuff which showed it truly was a joke, and fast forward a few months with no leadership or no direction and welcome to ny sept 2020, 7 months into a pandemic with no game plan.
Atleast fed government has a plan, move on with life and get everyone jobs, local governments don't even have that.
That was my point. You are correct in NY/NJ, but in other places, there was a sensible reopening. Like I mentioned, Ohio had a staggered reopening startimg in may, and by mid June or so, everything reopened. However, they still require masks. To me, this shows seichel. If you are in NY, you just have to be able to use your seichel, and separate the chaff from the grain. Something like masks, basic social distancing, and keeping parties (weddings, Kiddush, etc) small and outdoors is just common sense.