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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #680 on: September 14, 2020, 01:10:31 PM »
Feelings don't care about your facts

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #681 on: September 14, 2020, 02:59:53 PM »
I don't believe I've ever met anyone who is as full of sh!t as you are. Do you eat anything special?
I suspect he does it on purpose.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #685 on: September 16, 2020, 10:28:32 PM »
Excess deaths may be partly due to Covid restrictions rather than Covid itself.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/16/dementia-deaths-coronavirus-nursing-homes-416530

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #686 on: September 17, 2020, 08:47:06 AM »
https://fox17.com/amp/news/local/covid-19-emails-from-nashville-mayors-office-show-disturbing-revelation

And politicians want us to trust them on the Wuhan virus and keep us locked up

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #688 on: September 17, 2020, 09:57:47 AM »
https://www.timesofisrael.com/number-of-seriously-ill-virus-patients-surges-as-report-points-to-excess-deaths/#gs.gefhdm

And now Israel is seeing unexplained excess deaths in those over 65 years of age- 200 deaths in one month alone above and beyond the covid numbers. Of course they are blaming it on covid, but if the deaths are actually due to the social distancing measures that would mean almost as many seniors died due to the restrictions as those dying from covid.....

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #689 on: September 17, 2020, 10:58:08 AM »
https://www.timesofisrael.com/number-of-seriously-ill-virus-patients-surges-as-report-points-to-excess-deaths/#gs.gefhdm

And now Israel is seeing unexplained excess deaths in those over 65 years of age- 200 deaths in one month alone above and beyond the covid numbers. Of course they are blaming it on covid, but if the deaths are actually due to the social distancing measures that would mean almost as many seniors died due to the restrictions as those dying from covid.....

Oh, stop it! The politicians are following sacred Science and the questioning must cease! All the information, theories, hypothesis are sacrocent and any facts that suggest otherwise are irrelevant.

https://fox17.com/amp/news/local/covid-19-emails-from-nashville-mayors-office-show-disturbing-revelation

And politicians want us to trust them on the Wuhan virus and keep us locked up

Obviously this is the outlier and all other information, data, facts and theories are fully disclosed to the public...

Kinda makes you wonder if maybe the mandates are predetermined and the relevant facts that are promoted are those that fit that narrative. But then that is just a conspiracy theory...

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #690 on: September 17, 2020, 10:59:35 AM »
Oh, stop it! The politicians are following sacred Science and the questioning must cease! All the information, theories, hypothesis are sacrocent and any facts that suggest otherwise are irrelevant.

Obviously this is the outlier and all other information, data, facts and theories are fully disclosed to the public...

Kinda makes you wonder if maybe the mandates are predetermined and the relevant facts that are promoted are those that fit that narrative. But then that is just a conspiracy theory...
Ok I'll bite. What's the conspiracy theory why Bibi is locking down Israel?

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #691 on: September 17, 2020, 11:00:25 AM »
Oh, stop it! The politicians are following sacred Science and the questioning must cease! All the information, theories, hypothesis are sacrocent and any facts that suggest otherwise are irrelevant.

Obviously this is the outlier and all other information, data, facts and theories are fully disclosed to the public...

Kinda makes you wonder if maybe the mandates are predetermined and the relevant facts that are promoted are those that fit that narrative. But then that is just a conspiracy theory...
So...your theory is that politicians are all evil and they just want to lock people up. They would have done it in 2019, but they had no excuse. In 2021, once COVID blows over, they'll probably just round up all the citizens and throw them in jail?
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #692 on: September 17, 2020, 11:30:02 AM »
https://fox17.com/amp/news/local/covid-19-emails-from-nashville-mayors-office-show-disturbing-revelation

And politicians want us to trust them on the Wuhan virus and keep us locked up

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #693 on: September 17, 2020, 11:40:57 AM »
https://www.timesofisrael.com/number-of-seriously-ill-virus-patients-surges-as-report-points-to-excess-deaths/#gs.gefhdm

And now Israel is seeing unexplained excess deaths in those over 65 years of age- 200 deaths in one month alone above and beyond the covid numbers. Of course they are blaming it on covid, but if the deaths are actually due to the social distancing measures that would mean almost as many seniors died due to the restrictions as those dying from covid.....

You do understand that lockdown and isolating seniors is avoidable, right? If you're strict about preventive measures to keep the virus from running rampant in your community/city/state/country, then people can live life. But refusing to take any precautions because "the numbers are low" or "there's no community spread yet" causes deaths, both from Covid, and from needing to isolate vulnerable populations.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #696 on: September 17, 2020, 12:49:19 PM »
Seems to me the first two paragraphs contradict each other.
Why? They both say Biden doesn't want to prioritize over 65.

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #697 on: September 17, 2020, 12:52:32 PM »
https://www.timesofisrael.com/number-of-seriously-ill-virus-patients-surges-as-report-points-to-excess-deaths/#gs.gefhdm

And now Israel is seeing unexplained excess deaths in those over 65 years of age- 200 deaths in one month alone above and beyond the covid numbers. Of course they are blaming it on covid, but if the deaths are actually due to the social distancing measures that would mean almost as many seniors died due to the restrictions as those dying from covid.....
Aren't you one of those advocating that only those at higher risk should fully isolate and everyone else should go about their lives? This seems to contradict such an approach.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #698 on: September 17, 2020, 01:44:00 PM »
So...your theory is that politicians are all evil and they just want to lock people up. They would have done it in 2019, but they had no excuse. In 2021, once COVID blows over, they'll probably just round up all the citizens and throw them in jail?

 ;)   :)

Ok I'll bite. What's the conspiracy theory why Bibi is locking down Israel?

Don't know what all the angles are, but the Nashville example is very telling. Certainly in Nashville, you see it was systemic, not an isolated individual. It happened there and they were caught, one can imagine there are loads of additional instances that were not caught. And no, I don't think evil is the root of it. There are reasons beyond the below list and there is overlap between them, but here are some suggestions:

1. Politicians / alarmist scientists don't want to be wrong. The public will ignore them if they are, so they need to double down on the path they have staked. A for instance is that the rationale for the closing down of society was the model that shown 2.2M deaths in the US. Noone backtracked on the basis of that model being wrong. (this is just an example, if you don't agree the models were wrong, as some previously argued on this forum, then this is not a good example)

2. They don't want to be second guessed in hindsight on the hugely damaging decisions they made to close down society.

3. Politicians / alarmist scientists do not want to be blamed. It is much easier to justify mandating extreme cautious safeguards in the spirit of "out of an abundance of caution", while it is hard to get stuck with blame for the unintended consequences of such actions. If 2000 lives were saved by a mandate, while the unintended consequences can be blamed for 2000 dying, the politician / cautious alarmist scientist may choose the mandate, even if the mandate includes hardships beyond the death toll. The flip side is equally true. It is much easier to blame the straight up death toll from a disease on the politician who did not take extreme measures to prevent it and much more difficult for that politician to defend such a decision based on the unintended consequences and death toll of implementing extreme measures. The President claims that was the basis for his reaction to the Wuhan reports, yet look how many are placing blame on him for the 200k COVID deaths in the US.

4. Ego

5. Power trip - Being able to tell people what to do is why some got into politics.


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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #699 on: September 17, 2020, 01:47:21 PM »
Curious, but not enough to really research it: what was Nashville's policy for bars and restaurants over the last 8 months?
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