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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #840 on: November 22, 2020, 09:58:13 PM »
I don't think he does (if yes, he can correct me). But looking at the data from the past 10 to 14 days for the zip codes the attendees most likely came from, there doesn't seem to be any noticeable spike (which I've already mentioned and questioned in the other thread).

And I think his point is that 7/86 = 8%+ rate with precautions and by the wedding there were obviously none. They also obviously didn't test everyone before and after so there is no data to analyze other than what people will tell you anecdotally which is that they probably didn't see any cases or if yes, none were serious.
Yes I understand his implied argument, however there is no way anybody here can be certain there aren't multiple deaths as a direct result of participating in the wedding. לא שמענו אינה ראיה - not having heard something isn't admissible evidence in Halacha. How many people here knew this wedding took place?

While these arguments have been rehashed ad nauseam (and then some), the odds that somebody at the wedding was covid Positive are very high. It's hard to determine the odds that somebody in the audience was transmitting virus, as it's possible not every can be a super spreader even if timing is perfect (less viral shedding). However, the biggest fallacy is that even if there was no tragic outcome, it in no way justifies the action. Most people who drive drunk get home safely. It is still criminally dangerous.

הַחֵפֶץ לַיהוָה בְּעֹלוֹת וּזְבָחִים כִּשְׁמֹעַ בְּקוֹל יְהוָה. It is incredible that anybody can believe with a straight face having 7000 celebrate a wedding is in any way רצון ה׳.

How did they know it was the original cluster? They also tested the DNA like in the New Zealand study or they had another way of verifying?

You can say that again  >:(.
I'm not sure. As far as I can remember it was just guessing, but when multiple people who participated at an event with known transmission get it, the default assumption it's from the same cause.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #841 on: November 22, 2020, 09:59:44 PM »


Do you claim to have data?


You all forgot that simchas tora was
About 6 weeks ago
And there was tens of thousands of people squeezed together in shuls all over new york state and new Jersey
No professional data
 and there was burich hashem no serious cases of covid or hospitalizations that you can point fingers on simchas tora
And btw that's the 2nd big satmar wedding this winter and tons of other big weddings and other big gatherings and bh nothing happend , so you get the picture

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #842 on: November 22, 2020, 10:05:32 PM »

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #843 on: November 22, 2020, 10:08:27 PM »

You all forgot that simchas tora was
About 6 weeks ago
And there was tens of thousands of people squeezed together in shuls all over new york state and new Jersey
No professional data
 and there was burich hashem no serious cases of covid or hospitalizations that you can point fingers on simchas tora
And btw that's the 2nd big satmar wedding this winter and tons of other big weddings and other big gatherings and bh nothing happend , so you get the picture
The only picture I get is that you think you are smarter than the rest of the world when your community had one of the highest and earliest death rates, while somehow convincing yourself it's for the altruistic purpose of serving him who sanctified one minute of one person's life over nearly every other obligation in this world.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #844 on: November 22, 2020, 10:17:56 PM »
The only picture I get is that you think you are smarter than the rest of the world when your community had one of the highest and earliest death rates, while somehow convincing yourself it's for the altruistic purpose of serving him who sanctified one minute of one person's life over nearly every other obligation in this world.
No one is smarter
We live in reality and not what the media says
Exactly what I said , the chasidish community had it first and very strong, since after pesech and now as we speak the 2nd wave is for rest of the majority,

and do you have overrall data that in the chasidish community its a higher Percentage death rate from the beginning till now then in other communities?
Definitely not true

so basically everyone has to go this thru  ,earlier or later ,  there is no way to be saved from the virus, and the lockdown dosen't help an inch ,
It was a pandemic and it's over, you don't believe in it,no problem!  but you are just not realistic, and happens to be the 300k people that left new york are also not happy how the restrictions are and went to states where there isn't so many restrictions....so go figure
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #845 on: November 22, 2020, 11:33:16 PM »



and do you have overrall data that in the chasidish community its a higher Percentage death rate from the beginning till now then in other communities?
Definitely not true

 
Considering that you wrote that something is definite I assume you have data to back that up. Please present it.

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #846 on: November 22, 2020, 11:33:55 PM »

You all forgot that simchas tora was
About 6 weeks ago
And there was tens of thousands of people squeezed together in shuls all over new york state and new Jersey
No professional data
 and there was burich hashem no serious cases of covid or hospitalizations that you can point fingers on simchas tora
And btw that's the 2nd big satmar wedding this winter and tons of other big weddings and other big gatherings and bh nothing happend , so you get the picture
You must have very poor memory
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #847 on: November 23, 2020, 10:49:46 AM »
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Wherever you copied the pasuk from, maybe in the future find another place to copy from. It may not technically be causing issurim, but you're probably better off not spelling out Hashem's name.

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #850 on: November 23, 2020, 07:45:58 PM »
"Mr. Bancel said Moderna then plugged that data [the gene for the virus’s spike protein] into its computers and came up with the design for an mRNA vaccine. The entire process took two days."

Two days.

"Dr. Slaoui informed Mr. Bancel that Moderna had not recruited enough minority candidates into its
vaccine trials. If it could not prove its vaccine worked well for Black and Hispanic Americans, who
have been disproportionately affected by the pandemic, it would not make it over the finish line."

(In case you're wondering, Google tells me that this is not wokeness.)

"That evening, Pfizer officials informed a key F.D.A. official of its news, along with a short list of others. Biden’s
team was alerted to the development that night. But in a sign of the suspicions that mark the Trump administration,
the president’s top health officials did not learn of the news until the next morning, when it became public."

The Trump administration, or FDA officials?
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #851 on: November 23, 2020, 07:51:12 PM »
"Mr. Bancel said Moderna then plugged that data [the gene for the virus’s spike protein] into its computers and came up with the design for an mRNA vaccine. The entire process took two days."

Two days.
Yup. If governments would've reevaluated the ethics to allow deliberate infection attempts of vaccine volunteers we would've been done with Covid months ago.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #852 on: November 23, 2020, 08:05:55 PM »
"Mr. Bancel said Moderna then plugged that data [the gene for the virus’s spike protein] into its computers and came up with the design for an mRNA vaccine. The entire process took two days."

Two days.

"Dr. Slaoui informed Mr. Bancel that Moderna had not recruited enough minority candidates into its
vaccine trials. If it could not prove its vaccine worked well for Black and Hispanic Americans, who
have been disproportionately affected by the pandemic, it would not make it over the finish line."

(In case you're wondering, Google tells me that this is not wokeness.)

"That evening, Pfizer officials informed a key F.D.A. official of its news, along with a short list of others. Biden’s
team was alerted to the development that night. But in a sign of the suspicions that mark the Trump administration,
the president’s top health officials did not learn of the news until the next morning, when it became public."

The Trump administration, or FDA officials?
It is very important that any vaccine work for all genetic makeups.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #853 on: November 23, 2020, 08:39:53 PM »
The Trump administration, or FDA officials?

It's cute that you still see them as separate entities.
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #854 on: November 25, 2020, 01:04:49 PM »
I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #855 on: November 25, 2020, 01:18:05 PM »
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-25/covid-19-dry-cleaners-face-a-reckoning-in-work-from-home-economy

I guess cleaners that serve the Jewish market are doing much better.

They might be doing relatively better but still struggling...
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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #856 on: November 25, 2020, 02:28:21 PM »
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‘Zombie’ minks rise from Denmark’s mass graves after COVID-19 slaughter
https://nypost.com/2020/11/25/zombie-minks-rise-from-grave-in-denmark-after-slaughter/

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Re: Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition
« Reply #858 on: November 25, 2020, 03:49:42 PM »
Clickbait headline!

It got me to click on it!

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