Interesting Articles: COVID-19 Edition

[yitzgar]

When the USSR collapsed, many who had grown up there were shocked how american grocery stores worked. "If the government doesn't mandate everything, how will the stores know which and how much of each item to stock"?

[yitzgar]

Will  more take this one than measles ?

There aren't any airlines that require proof of vaccination from measles to fly

[iluv2travel]

If it’s up to the politicians probably the same way China’s gonna do it. And hand out “I Vaccinated” pins.

Can't wait to get one of those pins.

Will more take this one than measles ?

Honestly no clue, but I've seen enough people clamoring for it because of their nightmarish existence throughout this pandemic - but again I really have no idea. When there was a measles outbreak, the word lockdown (as well as others) didn't exist beyond the dictionary.

[iluv2travel]

There aren't any airlines that require proof of vaccination from measles to fly

There are actually people in this world (outside of this forum😉) who don't care for flying so that wouldn't propel them to get the vaccine.

[aygart]

There are actually people in this world (outside of this forum) who don't care for flying so that wouldn't propel them to get the vaccine.

Yeah but there are other businesses which can also require it. A daycare can require it on their own too.

[TimT]

There aren't any airlines that require proof of vaccination from measles to fly

I meant would enough people take it to have herd immunity.

[yitzgar]

There are actually people in this world (outside of this forum) who don't care for flying so that wouldn't propel them to get the vaccine.

Hard to believe, right?
I really was just giving one example

[yitzgar]

I meant would enough people take it to have herd immunity.

Oh, I thought you were being rhetorical. I'm sure on the one hand there are more who are nervous about it than measles etc., But on the other hand, even borderline antivaxxers who would normally be on the fence, will want to get back to normal life, and while some may hold out initially, I expect most people to eventually get it, especially once hundreds of millions around the globe get it. (Diehard antivaxxers are a different story, obviously)

[iluv2travel]

Yeah but there are other businesses which can also require it. A daycare can require it on their own too.

Of course. But that's not a government mandate.

When you say daycare, do you mean the adult employees or the kids? I don't think they can require it for kids until after its been tested.

[iluv2travel]

Hard to believe, right?
I really was just giving one example

I know, its just funny to me how that's the default example on this forum . Which is perfectly fine.

[TimT]

Oh, I thought you were being rhetorical. I'm sure on the one hand there are more who are nervous about it than measles etc., But on the other hand, even borderline antivaxxers who would normally be on the fence, will want to get back to normal life, and while some may hold out initially, I expect most people to eventually get it, especially once hundreds of millions around the globe get it. (Diehard antivaxxers are a different story, obviously)

Measles vaccine has been around over 50 years so everything’s known about it while this is new.

The second dose
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/08/pfizer-moderna-covid-vaccine-side-effects-trials.html

[S209]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/03/1500-stimulus-checks-for-covid-19-shots-how-one-plan-would-work.html?

[S209]

Measles vaccine has been around over 50 years so everything’s known about it while this is new.

The second dose
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/08/pfizer-moderna-covid-vaccine-side-effects-trials.html

How common are long term effects from vaccines? Short answer: Not very. The primary concerns in vaccination trials are usually immediate effects, which these vaccines don’t seem to have (other than standard flu vaccine side effects).

[TimT]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/03/1500-stimulus-checks-for-covid-19-shots-how-one-plan-would-work.html?

Now you’ll have people coming back for doubles & triples.

[PlatinumGuy]

I'm not so sure we'll end up seeing all that many mandates in the West. By the time vaccines are amply available, Covid is likely to reach non significant numbers, and if the 95% immunity holds up, people aren't that likely to care about being potentially exposed to somebody who didn't vaccinate.

Mandates will be primarily for entry to Asia and countries who never got accustomed to high attack rates.

How common are long term effects from vaccines? Short answer: Not very. The primary concerns in vaccination trials are usually immediate effects, which these vaccines don’t seem to have (other than standard flu vaccine side effects).

I believe there was never any long term effect discovered in a vaccine that wasn't evident after 2 months.

It's like measuring the effects of a punch after 2 months. The impact is completely over and the body is intact.

[S209]

I'm not so sure we'll end up seeing all that many mandates in the West. By the time vaccines are amply available, Covid is likely to reach non significant numbers, and if the 95% immunity holds up, people aren't that likely to care about being potentially exposed to somebody who didn't vaccinate.

Agreed. I think a government mandate is a terrible idea, mostly because at 95% efficacy you’re safe enough without mandating that others comply.

I still think capitalism will soon enough make it hard to function without being vaccinated. Good luck traveling, attending events, and sending your children to school.

I believe there was never any long term effect discovered in a vaccine that wasn't evident after 2 months.

Correct (but don’t tell @henche ).

[TimT]

Agreed. I think a government mandate is a terrible idea, mostly because at 95% efficacy you’re safe enough without mandating that others comply.

I still think capitalism will soon enough make it hard to function without being vaccinated. Good luck traveling, attending events, and sending your children to school.
Correct (but don’t tell @henche ).

What percent of the population do you see running to get it once it’s available ?

[S209]

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/12/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-design.html

[S209]

What percent of the population do you see running to get it once it’s available ?

Immediately, or by June (when it will be freely available to all, hundreds of millions will have been vaccinated worldwide, and businesses will require certification to be serviced)?

[PlatinumGuy]

I meant to argue that even schools aren’t likely to mandate it. Covid will be a non issue by the time there are enough vaccines.
Maybe if the immunity turns out to be short lived, even 95% efficiency will need all the help it can get.