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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
« Reply #180 on: March 25, 2020, 10:10:33 PM »
Mount Sinai lost a nurse who contracted the virus. Terrible. Will not let my daughter apply for any of the well paying nursing jobs until PPE and personal safety is guaranteed. Theyre offering nurses $95 an hour for 4x12 shifts for 8 weeks.

If they had good PPE then they wouldn’t need to pay so much.
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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
« Reply #181 on: March 25, 2020, 10:14:53 PM »
The problem with the 90% number, was that he did the math wrong.  9 positive out of 14 tested is 64%.  So now he concedes it's only 60%.
It doesn't give me great confidence in his medical advice.

Even the 60% is just the people with symptoms that were tested, you can’t extrapolate that across an entire city.
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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
« Reply #182 on: March 25, 2020, 10:16:39 PM »
If they had good PPE then they wouldn’t need to pay so much.
Thats the going rate. Its basically time and a half because of staffing shortages.

To your point
See also...https://nypost.com/2020/03/25/worker-at-nyc-hospital-where-nurses-wear-trash-bags-as-protection-dies-from-coronavirus/
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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
« Reply #183 on: March 25, 2020, 11:12:14 PM »
Quote from: YitzyS
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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
« Reply #184 on: March 25, 2020, 11:42:12 PM »
Rumor has it Hasc just decided to close the residences and send the residents back to family including in other states. #stopthespread
Someone needs to talk to hasc
Let the mayor and governor know.

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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
« Reply #185 on: March 25, 2020, 11:44:42 PM »
Makeshift morgues being set up in NYC

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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
« Reply #186 on: March 26, 2020, 12:03:07 AM »
Rumor has it Hasc just decided to close the residences and send the residents back to family including in other states. #stopthespread
Someone needs to talk to hasc
Let the mayor and governor know.
Let them know what?
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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
« Reply #187 on: March 26, 2020, 12:08:27 AM »
Let them know what?
that Hasc is inadvertently spreading COVID19

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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
« Reply #188 on: March 26, 2020, 01:51:22 AM »
There are several factors that made the evidence of a pandemic less clear, both in and beyond the frum community in the tristate area
—lack of sufficient testing kits in the US greatly slowed awareness.
—limited exposure to media among rabbinonim and yeshiva oilam
—lack of coordination. Agudath Israel  took a leadership role in communication but we have not previously had a single body coordinate between doctors and rabbonim for guidsnce. Also not everyone subscribes to their emails or to their guidance. That coordination of information collection and dissemination is something we can learn from and leverage better in the future.
—fake news. The internet, social media make it confusing to know who to listen to. The ones to spoke up early were viewed as alarmists. We have had similar issues with conflicting opinions on vaccines, people don’t know what to believe. i think veracity of sources is something we need to educate our community on. Though sometimes we undermine reliable sources when it comes to negative things about our people by criticizing the sources.
—There are many people promoting natural and alternative healings and promoting conspiracy theories to support those meyhods. People assert and suspect the government and pharmaceutical companies of all sorts of conspiracies.
—some Politicians also talked down the risks. I won’t mention any names.
—expectations for a quick cure. There are various drugs thought to potentially be efffective. Many thought that or warm weather might mitigate this whole thing. Or that more spread out population would lead to lower rates of infection.
—hypothesis based on statistics created confusion. Deaths occur several weeks after infections so the estimate of death rates were unclear. some People assumed the death rates (1%-4%) were grossly overstated because that only got the symptomatic patients, so people thought the death rates were maybe a tenth of that or less (people were equating this with the fatality rates of the seasonal flu). It was easy to make that mistake and others with the statistics that were available (eg that chine stars were worse because of the high rate of cigarette smoking there).
—we have never seen a plague/pandemic in our lifetimes. Previous threats (SARS, anthrax, global warming ) have all turned out to be overstated. We’ve gotten accustomed to doomsday forecasters being wrong.
—we believe G-d controls the world and the best way to gain His favor is serve him more diligently by keeping yeshivas open and trying to maintain the spirit of Purim and minyanim. There is a time and place for that. And there is a time and place where histatadlus on protecting lives supersedes  that. Younger more idealistic people are prone to focus on idealism over pragmatic steps that are sometimes needed. We value our leaders Who have a broader perspective and experience, for that reason.
—even under the most severe guidance by the CDC and state leaders shopping for food was viewed as inevitable and permissible. Thus With full isolation not possible it becomes a slippery slope. E.g. to attend a family Purim gathering, a small wedding in a backyard of a yasom etc
—some people  are suffering more than others from boredom, isolation, being contained in a small home, lack of privacy etc (imagine those without internet access) and are feeding a very strong emotional need for interaction that we might not find as pressing.
I’m sure you can think of others. . . Feel free to share additional reasons

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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
« Reply #189 on: March 26, 2020, 03:11:14 AM »
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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
« Reply #190 on: March 26, 2020, 05:48:09 AM »
The problem with the 90% number is that it was based on 14 tests.

The problem with the 90% number, was that he did the math wrong.  9 positive out of 14 tested is 64%.  So now he concedes it's only 60%.

No, he didn’t do bad math. He happened to have 14 test results and pulled a number (90%) out of his @$$. There’s no scientific way to base his 90% assertion on those test results, so let’s separate the two.
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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
« Reply #191 on: March 26, 2020, 07:45:36 AM »
There are several factors that made the evidence of a pandemic less clear, both in and beyond the frum community in the tristate area
—lack of sufficient testing kits in the US greatly slowed awareness.
—limited exposure to media among rabbinonim and yeshiva oilam
—lack of coordination. Agudath Israel  took a leadership role in communication but we have not previously had a single body coordinate between doctors and rabbonim for guidsnce. Also not everyone subscribes to their emails or to their guidance. That coordination of information collection and dissemination is something we can learn from and leverage better in the future.
—fake news. The internet, social media make it confusing to know who to listen to. The ones to spoke up early were viewed as alarmists. We have had similar issues with conflicting opinions on vaccines, people don’t know what to believe. i think veracity of sources is something we need to educate our community on. Though sometimes we undermine reliable sources when it comes to negative things about our people by criticizing the sources.
—There are many people promoting natural and alternative healings and promoting conspiracy theories to support those meyhods. People assert and suspect the government and pharmaceutical companies of all sorts of conspiracies.
—some Politicians also talked down the risks. I won’t mention any names.
—expectations for a quick cure. There are various drugs thought to potentially be efffective. Many thought that or warm weather might mitigate this whole thing. Or that more spread out population would lead to lower rates of infection.
—hypothesis based on statistics created confusion. Deaths occur several weeks after infections so the estimate of death rates were unclear. some People assumed the death rates (1%-4%) were grossly overstated because that only got the symptomatic patients, so people thought the death rates were maybe a tenth of that or less (people were equating this with the fatality rates of the seasonal flu). It was easy to make that mistake and others with the statistics that were available (eg that chine stars were worse because of the high rate of cigarette smoking there).
—we have never seen a plague/pandemic in our lifetimes. Previous threats (SARS, anthrax, global warming ) have all turned out to be overstated. We’ve gotten accustomed to doomsday forecasters being wrong.
—we believe G-d controls the world and the best way to gain His favor is serve him more diligently by keeping yeshivas open and trying to maintain the spirit of Purim and minyanim. There is a time and place for that. And there is a time and place where histatadlus on protecting lives supersedes  that. Younger more idealistic people are prone to focus on idealism over pragmatic steps that are sometimes needed. We value our leaders Who have a broader perspective and experience, for that reason.
—even under the most severe guidance by the CDC and state leaders shopping for food was viewed as inevitable and permissible. Thus With full isolation not possible it becomes a slippery slope. E.g. to attend a family Purim gathering, a small wedding in a backyard of a yasom etc
—some people  are suffering more than others from boredom, isolation, being contained in a small home, lack of privacy etc (imagine those without internet access) and are feeding a very strong emotional need for interaction that we might not find as pressing.
I’m sure you can think of others. . . Feel free to share additional reasons
Great post!

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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
« Reply #192 on: March 26, 2020, 08:34:01 AM »
3.3 million jobless claims last week...wow

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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
« Reply #193 on: March 26, 2020, 08:36:34 AM »
3.3 million jobless claims last week...wow
He goes from lowest unemployment to highest claims ever in a blink of an eye.
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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
« Reply #194 on: March 26, 2020, 08:46:45 AM »
He goes from lowest unemployment to highest claims ever in a blink of an eye.

This is what it means in a blink of an eye.

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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
« Reply #195 on: March 26, 2020, 08:48:01 AM »
He goes from lowest unemployment to highest claims ever in a blink of an eye.
Obviously beyond his control. The test is how quickly they come back.
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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
« Reply #196 on: March 26, 2020, 08:52:28 AM »
Obviously beyond his control. The test is how quickly they come back.
The buck stops with him no matter what he says.
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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
« Reply #197 on: March 26, 2020, 08:56:41 AM »
The buck stops with him no matter what he says.
Which buck? He didn't cause the pandemic but the recovery is on him.
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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
« Reply #198 on: March 26, 2020, 09:02:03 AM »
Which buck? He didn't cause the pandemic but the recovery is on him.
No one said he caused it. No one said Bush caused 911 or other administration's caused H1N1 or AIDS.
What he did cause is making this worse than it is by not taking it seriously from the beginning. That is all on him. What he knew and when he knew it has yet to come out.
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Re: This is getting serious... a somber thread about COVID-19
« Reply #199 on: March 26, 2020, 09:04:24 AM »


No one said Bush caused 911
Where you been?


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