RIP/BDE Master Thread - COVID-19 related

[ExGingi]

Organ transplant recipients are on immunosuppressants.

Exactly. Donors are usually in perfect health.

Though I do know an individual who was born with just one kidney.

[Euclid]

More likely a recipient.

The phrasing of "he had 1 kidney" makes it sound like he gave one away, not that he received another one. That's why I asked ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[ExGingi]

The phrasing of "he had 1 kidney" makes it sound like he gave one away, not that he received another one. That's why I asked ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have no idea what the story is. But I saw somewhere that he had medical issues. When it was posted above that he had one kidney, the logical conclusion would be that he was a kidney donation recipient rather than a donor (who would need to be in excellent health in order to be allowed to donate).

[avromie7]

The phrasing of "he had 1 kidney" makes it sound like he gave one away, not that he received another one. That's why I asked ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I think it sounds like he had 1 removed.

[Euclid]

I think it sounds like he had 1 removed.

Right, and I made an assumption that the most common reason to have one removed is because of donation...

Moving on...

[TimT]

https://twitter.com/BoroPark24/status/1493975760817864706

[yelped]

https://twitter.com/BoroPark24/status/1493975760817864706

Oish. Covid? Doesn't mention it in the article.

[Euclid]

Oish. Covid? Doesn't mention it in the article.

Also why would it throw the community into shock if it's because of covid?

[JoeyShmoe]

Also why would it throw the community into shock if it's because of covid?

Are you numb to the shocking effect of a 39-year-old Mother suddenly passing away if it's from Covid? To me, it's still shocking

[Euclid]

Are you numb to the shocking effect of a 39-year-old Mother suddenly passing away if it's from Covid? To me, it's still shocking

100% agree - i was making an (off color) quip about the dual meaning of shock; how it shouldn't be a shock/surprise that someone died from Covid. I know that's not what the headline writer meant.

[AsherO]

BDE

https://collive.com/dr-yitzchok-rosenberg-47-obm/

[yelped]

BDE

https://collive.com/dr-yitzchok-rosenberg-47-obm/

BDE. 

Looks like he was a special person.

[UKinNYS]

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/yonatan-moshe-erlichman-cardiac-death/

[yfr bachur]

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/yonatan-moshe-erlichman-cardiac-death/

BD"E

The only source that gets through my filter is
https://thecovidblog.com/2023/10/13/yonatan-moshe-erlichman-8-year-old-israel-boy-used-in-government-vaccine-propaganda-video-collapses-and-dies-at-home/

Doesn't it make you feel warm and fuzzy inside that these anti semites are your fellow travelers in the anti establishment game???

Also the boy DROWNED!
Theres no way to know that the cardiac arrest happen before he fell in the bathtub.

[yfr bachur]

Doesn't it make you feel warm and fuzzy inside that these anti semites are your fellow travelers in the anti establishment game???

https://thecovidblog.com/2022/01/17/are-covid-19-injections-the-ethno-bomb-israel-began-developing-in-the-late-1990s/

Funny, here in Israel you antis say its all a conspiracy by anti semites 

https://thecovidblog.com/2021/04/06/shirel-hilel-22-year-old-israeli-woman-suffers-heart-inflammation-dead-two-weeks-after-second-pfizer-shot/ second comment

What did cardiologists do before Covid vacines?

[UKinNYS]

I know cognitive dissonance doesn't allow most ppl to go there but life has a way..

Doesn't it make you feel warm and fuzzy inside that these anti semites are your fellow travelers in the anti establishment game???

True most ppl have their opinions set, but still these episodes are too numerous to waive away..

What did cardiologists do before Covid vacines?

[yfr bachur]

I know cognitive dissonance doesn't allow most ppl to go there but life has a way..
True most ppl have their opinions set, but still these episodes are too numerous to waive away..

I'm not waving anything away but the plural of anecdote does not equal data.
If you want to convince anyone that there is a higher rate of cardiac incidents - lets see the data, before and after.
Individual people die. Hard truth. Becuase god said its their time. EVEN CHILDREN. (I buried one of mine, and he actually did not have any vacines - so don't be the naar who came to me durind shloshim explaining to me that he died becuase of the vacines he took).
News flash: 50 year olds have heart attacks. (I've known this since I was a boy when a rebbe in my school didn't come one day becuase he was busy getting buried).
My kids still don't have any vacines (why is a long story that i'll take to a different thread some time) so i'm not this brainwashed vaccine pusher.
The only way to say that the vacs caused anything is to SHOW AN OBJECTIVE INCREASE in ACTUAL cases within a cohort.
Most stuff I've seen from antis (and I've seen pleanty cortesy of family members) is either
A. Garbage statistics, that anyone who understands statistics sees through
B. vague statments like "there are too many stories to be a coincidence" (how often were you LOOKING for stories about young people with cardiac incidence BEFORE you got involved in the anti movement??)
C. Conspiracy Theorists. "iys all a plot by the ashkenazi israelis who are being played by bill gates while on the set on hollywood used to fake the moon landing guided by the guy who really killed kennedy who also conspired with Israel to do 9/11 and its alll written in the POTEOZ (protocols of the elders of zion)

[UKinNYS]

Truly sorry for your loss - no words.
A. not looking to convince anyone, just sharing something I came across. (no did not search for it)
B. I'm not 'ANTI' as much as I don't blindly follow what is deemed to be the 'consensus'.
C. True random anecdotes don't prove anything but do raise questions, and burden of Proof should be on vaccine sellers to prove safety. some will say this threshold has been met, albeit with some unknowns, but "benefits" outweigh the risk. It's certainly reasonable to have a lower risk tolerance when it's a matter of personal health especially on newer scientific developments where implications are not fully understood. reasonable ppl can argue causation /correlation etc. but I would not lump together with 'conspiracy theorists'.

[yfr bachur]

C. True random anecdotes don't prove anything but do raise questions, and burden of Proof should be on vaccine sellers to prove safety.

Why? There is a mortality rate among children - not everyone aged two makes it to twelve or twenty two.
You can't even begin to start to see the need to debate causation/correlation unless you know that there is an increase. Random anecdotes don;t indicate a rise in the rate of anything. and spreading them is at best fearmongering and at worst dishonesty. (For gods sake the kid DROWNED, the orginal drowning could have been caused by a seizure, fainting, or any other number of reasons including a HA. If the heart dont get oxygenated blood - it eventualy becomes cardiac failure and brain damage (so you have no idea what caused what)

some will say this threshold has been met, albeit with some unknowns, but "benefits" outweigh the risk. It's certainly reasonable to have a lower risk tolerance when it's a matter of personal health especially on newer scientific developments where implications are not fully understood.

The anti says that you cant ask the doctors to help you - thier not qualified to help you make jugements on vaccines (forget about the years spent learning how to think criticaly, and fundimental understandings of the workings of the body).
So the average person in definitly not qualified.
So who is??
Oh - the conspiricy nut who runs an anti vaccine website???

reasonable ppl can argue causation /correlation etc. but I would not lump together with 'conspiracy theorists'.

We can argue causation /correlation but in my experience the far majority of anti vacs people fit in to "'conspiracy theorists". (Random anecdote, I know  )

[aygart]

Not sure why this example is getting attention. There are literally millions of people who got the vaccine and suffered cardiac arrest since then. Probably hundreds of thousands of children.