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If you were/are eligible for the 2nd booster shot, would you get it?

Yes
1 (11.1%)
No
5 (55.6%)
No, the Kool-aid will protect me.
3 (33.3%)

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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #200 on: March 30, 2022, 03:23:11 PM »
The FDA in it's news release to authorize a 2nd booster, makes a point to quote the study in Israel in which a 2nd booster increases in neutralizing antibody levels against SARS-CoV-2 virus.
That is what in the release. You took that to mean something they never said.

Then we have what they did say but you choose to ignore it.

Q: Will a positive result on a SARS-CoV-2 antibody test mean I have immunity and I will not get COVID-19?
A: No.
Q: Should I get a SARS-CoV-2 antibody test to decide if I need a COVID-19 vaccine or after I am vaccinated to see if my vaccine worked?
A: No.
Q. Can a SARS-CoV-2 antibody test tell me if I could infect other people?
A: No.
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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #201 on: March 30, 2022, 03:24:07 PM »
The FDA in it's news release to authorize a 2nd booster, makes a point to quote the study in Israel in which a 2nd booster increases in neutralizing antibody levels against SARS-CoV-2 virus.
Very interesting.  For those of us who aren't up to date, can you just explain how the neutralizing antibodies that the Israelis measured are different from the binding antibodies that are measured in the lab tests we get here?

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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #202 on: March 30, 2022, 03:34:16 PM »
Very interesting.  For those of us who aren't up to date, can you just explain how the neutralizing antibodies that the Israelis measured are different from the binding antibodies that are measured in the lab tests we get here?
You can get neutralizing antibody testing here @CountValentine is insisting antibodies is irrelevant. but, in this news release https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-second-booster-dose-two-covid-19-vaccines-older-and 
they say otherwise.

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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #203 on: March 30, 2022, 03:54:38 PM »
You can get neutralizing antibody testing here @CountValentine is insisting antibodies is irrelevant. but, in this news release https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-second-booster-dose-two-covid-19-vaccines-older-and 
they say otherwise.
Where do they say anything about what current levels  indicate about future immunity?
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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #204 on: March 30, 2022, 04:09:24 PM »
You can get neutralizing antibody testing here
Is that the test you had?  Where did you get it?

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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #205 on: March 30, 2022, 04:44:11 PM »
Is that the test you had?  Where did you get it?
The tests I took I don't believe distinguishes between the 2. And it may not be readily available (in fairness, I did find this article before I posted https://www.labcorp.com/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/news/labcorp-launches-new-neutralizing-antibody-test)
there are studies showing correlation between the 2 and we definitely saw that people that had tested with high antibodies were showing protection for covid - Prior Omicron

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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #206 on: March 30, 2022, 04:45:58 PM »
reading the FDA news release it seems that the basis for a booster is waning neutralizing antibody levels
Okay but what do high levels mean
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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #208 on: March 30, 2022, 04:52:39 PM »
Lessens the symptoms? Less chance of hospitalization?  Less chance of dying?

Sorry, I have not been following in many months (including the time when Omicron, or whatever else was going around, took my community as a storm), compared to what? Any double-blind studies?

My son tested positive for COVID-19 at a certain point when it was going around the community a few months ago. He recovered in 2020 and was not vaccinated (I think). He happened to have tested. Various other family members were feeling "under the weather" at various times, and none got tested, so we will never know if they had COVID-19. I had a period of a few weeks when I was coughing (it was very noticeable due to my current 3x a day obligation to lead services). I did not test for COVID (I don't think it was) and I wouldn't define my symptoms as severe.
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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #210 on: March 30, 2022, 06:37:48 PM »
You can get neutralizing antibody testing here @CountValentine is insisting antibodies is irrelevant. but, in this news release https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-second-booster-dose-two-covid-19-vaccines-older-and 
they say otherwise.
What I said is you are drawing conclusions on why they included the Israel report.
I posted what they actually say about antibodies. You completely ignored it because it doesn't fit your talking points.   
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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #211 on: March 31, 2022, 12:16:14 PM »
Seriously? You are making an argument about antibodies and are just telling me to McTavish the lab to find out what the ramifications of high levels  are? I
Whoops - That was supposed to be an FDA contact page...ask them why they want higher antibody levels? Especially as @CountValentine pointed out they disregard antibody tests as any indication for immunity.

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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #212 on: March 31, 2022, 12:20:44 PM »
Whoops - That was supposed to be an FDA contact page...ask them why they want higher antibody levels? Especially as @CountValentine pointed out they disregard antibody tests as any indication for immunity.

They don't say anything at all about what high antibodies indicate about future immunity and neither did @CountValentine or you.
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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #213 on: March 31, 2022, 12:23:54 PM »
Especially as @CountValentine pointed out they disregard antibody tests as any indication for immunity.
Read the whole article. They say over and over we need more information about antibodies.
...ask them why they want higher antibody levels?
Where did the FDA say that? 

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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #214 on: March 31, 2022, 12:38:12 PM »
Vaccines produce antibodies hence high antibodies will produce the same results - do you have anything showing otherwise?

You're oversimplifying. It's quite clear that the immune response from infection and the immune response from vaccination are different (both short and long term), "produce antibodies" is a gross oversimplification.

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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #215 on: March 31, 2022, 01:33:40 PM »
The tests I took I don't believe distinguishes between the 2. And it may not be readily available (in fairness, I did find this article before I posted https://www.labcorp.com/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/news/labcorp-launches-new-neutralizing-antibody-test)

Reading that article carefully, I see that it was published in 2020, just 3 months into the pandemic.  It says that a test for neutralizing antibodies has been developed, and is offered to researchers.

More recently, this CDC page updated in Jan 2022, seems to imply that the lab tests we get when we check antibodies are the binding antibodies, not the neutralizing antibodies that can be studied by researchers.  https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/resources/antibody-tests-guidelines.html

That page also states
"Antibody testing is not currently recommended to assess for immunity to SARS-CoV-2 following COVID-19 vaccination or to assess the need for vaccination in an unvaccinated person. 
All eligible people should be vaccinated, including unvaccinated people who have previously been infected and have detectable antibodies."

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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #216 on: March 31, 2022, 02:30:36 PM »
Read the whole article. They say over and over we need more information about antibodies. Where did the FDA say that? 

@4yourinfo you should give the pretzel machine a break.  :)
what's this paragraph doing in the 2nd booster news release?
Immunogenicity data from an ongoing, open-label, non-randomized clinical study in healthcare workers at a single center in Israel were reported in a publication provided to the FDA. In this study, individuals 18 years of age and older who had received primary vaccination and a first booster dose with Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine were administered a second booster dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine (154 individuals) or Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine (120 individuals) at least four months after the first booster dose. Among these individuals, increases in neutralizing antibody levels against SARS-CoV-2 virus, including delta and omicron variants were reported two weeks after the second booster as compared to 5 months after the first booster dose.

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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #217 on: March 31, 2022, 02:33:56 PM »
what's this paragraph doing in the 2nd booster news release?
I have no idea but you are drawing a conclusion they never made. You also ignore everything they said numerous times about antibodies.
You have anything else or going use that pretzel over and over?  :)
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Re: Will you get the booster shot?
« Reply #218 on: March 31, 2022, 07:08:23 PM »
what's this paragraph doing in the 2nd booster news release?

It summarizes some of the evidence on which the FDA based their decision to authorize the 2nd booster for the most vulnerable people.